“@Throeau - you questioning the protesters' reasons for acting in that (justified) manner is of no suprise to me. From reading all your other posts it is quite clear you are a hedonist with no compassion, hence you cannot understand how others wish to help less fortunate beings. You are ignorant and selfish.”

“In his thoughts, Herman spoke a eulogy for the mouse
who had shared a portion of her life with him and who,
because of him, had left this earth. "What do they
know--all these scholars, all these philosophers, all
the leaders of the world--about such as you? They have
convinced themselves that man, the worst transgressor
of all the species, is the crown of creation. All other
creatures were created merely to provide him with food,
pelts, to be tormented, exterminated. In relation to
them, all people are Nazis; for the animals it is an
eternal Treblinka.

--Isaac Bashevis Singer, "The Letter Writer"

Thoreau I am not Jewish but Isaac Bashevis Singer was and so I beg to differ about Jewish ppl not being able to see the similarity between what was done by the Nazis to Jews and other minority groups and what is being done to the animals. It is an excellent comparison. Your attitude to other species makes you no better than a racist.”

“@ Dawn, France

I take it you're not an insulin dependant diabetic then?... your talk of dietary control is rubbish.”

“Lesley - you show a laughably poor understanding of biomedicine. We could get into the vast range of animal products used in healthcare but I think your mind is made up and the evidence would ping right off.

David - your comment is facile. You get to be the virtuous one without much effort but you're trading in childish fantasies.

Walk into a synagogue anywhere in the world and tell them how animal experimentation is equivalent to Auschwitz and see how you get on. Before then it's all a lot of self-righteous fluff.”

“I wish I lived closer to the support the protestors in their efforts to close down this concentration camp for animals.”

“Animals are poor models for human beings, they react according to their species, not the same as humans, so to rely on animal tests is about as reliable as tossing a coin. I wonder how many useful medicines we now do NOT have due to some being rejected because they killed mice or rats but might have been useful for people! It is not just about animals, it is better for people's health that we do not rely on an outdated as well as barbaric science.
http://www.safermedicines.org

Harlan protestors you have my full support!”

“Dawn - Your argument assumes the existence of the soul. I don't subscribe to that viewpoint and think those nebulous aspects of existence ascribed to the soul are mental phenomena. But wouldn't it be lovely if ti was true? Perhaps fairy dust might then be real too.

Aside from that - my life is more important than an animals? Sure. Of course it is and to suggest otherwise is naive. Look around you, the world is about people. I am a humanist and, being a human, don't see what is wrong with putting the interest's of my species first.

For someone who wants to equate an animal life with a human life (yes I know we're animals too, I have a Biology degree) you are happy to castigate others at having 'black souls'. Quite a claim.

You haven't given any reasons why cruelty is a bad thing in and of itself. Can it ever be acceptable? We may take no enjoyment from testing medication but do so anyway in the knowledge that it is in the service of something eminently worthwhile. By your logic a surgeon should not operate on people - but they slice people open and inflict pain with a view on the bigger picture.

Diabetes can be managed by diet? Care to cite a single peer-reviewed academic paper? Of course it can be done so much of the time but are you about to condemn those millions of people who would die awful deaths, go blind or lose limbs without their medication?

Grow up, study critical thinking and get used to the idea that life is about ambivalence and leave the contrived good/bad distinctions in primary school.

You sound about half a step away from Jehovah's Witnesses who let their kids die rather than receive medical aid.

Maybe you could also think about why you have such a strong need to idealise animals - you do them a disservice in failing to grasp them as they are. They're already living marvels without dipping them in syrup.”

“Not totally against animal based research... but some research is needed for essential medication treatment.. but this should be highly regulated and the last option. All other things should be illegal”

“Many people would not take medication that has been tested on animals, I for one. I can not say that I have needed heart surgery, but diabetes can be controlled by diet. I would die rather than have a non-concenting animal's body parts, used to save me, why would my life be more valuable? If you believe you are one of the higher beingings and all others are for your use, then you have a black soul. Most people who believe strongly in the rights of animals, to live a normal pain free life, wouldn't just switch their believes so easily. This is for what is right, what is just, what is kind not cruel.”

“The really great thing about splitting the world into good and bad is that you get to be the hero and feel justified in targeting your unpleasant side at others.

This is less to do with animals than it is to do with the mindset of these people. It's a vehicle for personal issues, no more, no less.

If it wasn't this it would be religion or Reiki or astrology or any of a hundred other things which have an overt purpose and a covert motive.

Harlan UK have my full support.”