“Lest readers should think that creationism is an academic topic: creationist groups are applying to set up free schools that will teach it tp children:
http://tinyurl.com/7qor6c2”

“hz***mi said: "So humans somehow developed those traits on their own? Why didn't the primates do so? What caused the difference, since both groups (in your view) came from the same parents?"

Offspring developing their own traits is what evolution is. To quote from the Free Dictionary: Evolution = "Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species".

hz***mi said: "But enough of that foolishness. The 'unknown common ancestor' never existed, just like the 'primordial soup'."

The line of descent, whilst it can never be complete, is now very comprehensive with good evidence to back it. Take a look at the "Timeline of human evolution" at http://tinyurl.com/zwy2w which includes references to supporting data.

hz***mi said: "Did you know that the correct reading of Genesis declares that mankind has been on this Earth, in his present likeness, for about 64 million years?"

No I didn't. Whilst this might be a "correct reading" of Genesis, I'd suggest that if that is the case it makes it extremely unlikely that Genesis has any connection with reality, since there is no fossil or archeological evidence for **** sapiens having been around that long. Early forms of primates could be found that long ago but not human beings in their present form.”

“Yes, the Genesis text is literally true. You, just like the "creationist clowns", have the wrong view of the text. That is why you must see and hear the "Observations of Moses" presentation. Otherwise, you are speaking from ignorance (out of your rear end).

To johncatt: As for human traits being different, you are in a delusion. So humans somehow developed those traits on their own? Why didn't the primates do so? What caused the difference, since both groups (in your view) came from the same parents?

But enough of that foolishness. The "unknown common ancestor" never existed, just like the "primordial soup". You come up with junk, and have no data to support it. Yet you insist that creationists provide proof for their beliefs. My proof is shown by the OM presentation. It reveals what Moses was looking at. Did you know that the correct reading of Genesis declares that mankind has been on this Earth, in his present likeness, for about 64 million years?

Herman”

“hz***mi said: "You want a different trait? I'll give you one. How many years does it take for primate offspring to mature and live on their own? How many years before the female primate can reproduce? How about humans? Why the difference?"

The period for offspring to mature is a feature that can evolve and doesn't need to be that of a common ancestor.

Human's have much bigger brains/heads that the other large primates and so are born more dependent on their parents. Among other things our brain size, posture, hand and feet have all evolved greatly since our common ancestor (with gorillas, chimpanzees) that was around probably about 6 million years ago. That is about 240,000 generations ago.

A good guide to the current understanding of human evolution can be found at http://tinyurl.com/d9lw5xx”

“@hz***mi
"The evolution theory is an irrational falsehood"
Flatly false. Evolution is a phenomenon of nature. Evolutionary theory is an explanation for that phenomenon which has been tested against the evidence.

" zealously embraced by atheists, "
Flatly false. It's accepted as the best explanation for the evidence regardless of religious belief or lack of it.

" that is a phony conclusion of the 600+ million fossil record."
Flatly false. Evolutionary theory is based largely on studies of extant populations of organisms. The fossil record (which, incidentally goes back three and a half billion years) is compatible with evolutionary theory, but has never been the primary evidence for evolutionary theory.

" There is no "valid supporting data" for evolution."
Flatly false. There are whole libraries full of scientific publications which describe that evidence in exhaustive detail.

" In a court of law, or in a public forum, the same evidence that evolutionists would use to try to "prove" the validity of that theory, I would utilize to reveal the truth of Genesis."
Flatly false. A literal reading of Genesis - which is something few Christian churches insist on - is utterly incompatible with the evidence from the real world.

" In order to believe in evolution, you have to purposely ignore certain facts of reality."
Flatly false. Those who accept the findings of science in respect of evolution are those who address reality. Those who deny it are demonstrably either ignorant of reality, or lie about it.

"or example, when you see illustrations of primates being pictured as evolving into humans, it can be shown in a court of law that such a premise is impossible, because certain human and primate traits are different, and could not have ever been shared. "
Flatly false. Humans are primates, and have been classified as such on the basis of their anatomical characters, and more recently on the basis of our DNA.

"The correct opposing view to evolution is the "Observations of Moses". It is the only truth rendition of Genesis chapter one."
Flatly false. Read as a literal account, the Genesis story is flatly contradicted by the evidence from the real world. If you insist that it is literally true, you need to explain why your God created a universe which shows that such a literal reading is impossible to support by honest investigation. You need to explain why you worship a God who is a liar.”

“Now that is funny. C U M has been tagged.

You could argue that female elephants never leave the extended home”

“hz***mi, says 16 years to "enjoy", that makes them teenagers. I say other primates have the evolutionary advantage”

“You want a different trait? I'll give you one. How many years does it take for primate offspring to mature and live on their own? How many years before the female primate can reproduce? How about humans? Why the difference?

God set it so that mankind would have 16+ years to enjoy, and train their children. What other air breathing animal does that? Why has this trait been overlooked? There are others,
but I'd save it for a court of law.

Herman”

“hz***mi said: "In order to believe in evolution, you have to purposely ignore certain facts of reality. For example, when you see illustrations of primates being pictured as evolving into humans, it can be shown in a court of law that such a premise is impossible, because certain human and primate traits are different, and could not have ever been shared."

hz***mi - please post, with appropriate links, the facts that are ignored and details of the "certain human and primate traits" that are different and would prevent them sharing a common ancestor.

I would point out that the fact that humans have the facility of speech does not mean we cannot have evolved from a common ancestor that did not have this ability.”

“Creationism can't be taught in science class, ONLY BECAUSE there is no one in any school system that is qualified to teach Biblical Creation. The doctrines of current Creationism are both false (old earth), and foolish (young Earth). Both creationist views misrepresent the Genesis text, and should not be part of any curriculum. The point I'm making is that part of the subject matter in biology science class is the advent and extinction of past life forms on Earth, which Creationism (young & old), and Intelligent Design do not address.

The evolution theory is an irrational falsehood, zealously embraced by atheists, that is a phony conclusion of the 600+ million fossil record. There is no "valid supporting data" for evolution. In a court of law, or in a public forum, the same evidence that evolutionists would use to try to "prove" the validity of that theory, I would utilize to reveal the truth of Genesis. In order to believe in evolution, you have to purposely ignore certain facts of reality. For example, when you see illustrations of primates being pictured as evolving into humans, it can be shown in a court of law that such a premise is impossible, because certain human and primate traits are different, and could not have ever been shared. The only "common ancestor" that humans and primates share is God Himself.

The correct opposing view to evolution is the "Observations of Moses". It is the only truth rendition of Genesis chapter one.

Herman
ephraim7@aol.com”