Leicester University study disproves Giant Peach's flight of fantasy

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Roald Dahl may famously have written that it took 501 seagulls to help James fly the Giant Peach – but a group of physics students have concluded that the actual figure would be a lot more.

Calculations by Emily Jane Watkinson, Maria-Theresia Walach, Daniel Staab and Zach Rogerson show a total of 2,425,907 seagulls would be needed to lift the peach into the air.

The University of Leicester fourth year physics students were inspired to use the childhood tale, which has delighted youngsters across the world since it was first published in the 1960s, as the basis for a scientific paper.

The story sees a young boy named James embarking on a journey across the Atlantic Ocean on a magical peach, the size of a small house.

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Emily Jane said: "Our degree encourages us to learn and apply real principles of physics to new and imaginative topics, and as all of us knew the story and I particularly loved it, we thought it would be a great idea to use it for our paper.

"Earlier in our degree, we studied the physics of aircraft and specifically what it takes to get them into the air. We thought it would be fantastic to apply that knowledge to the giant peach."

The group first calculated the potential weight of the peach, using measurements based on the size of a small house, as described in the book.

By multiplying its density by its volume, and using Newton's famous second law of motion, they arrived at a figure of 4,890,579 Newtons – the amount of force it would take to move the peach.

Next, they worked out how much weight each seagull could lift based on its wingspan, the density of air around it and the speed it would travel. They calculated this at just over two Newtons – allowing them to work out how many it would take to lift the peach.

"It showed us that 501 seagulls would be nowhere near enough to lift the peach, and that it would take much more – nearly 2.5 million seagulls to do this," said Emily Jane.

"We've all had a brilliant time working on this project. It's been lots of fun, and it's been great using Roald Dahl's story as inspiration. It's also helped show us how to write a proper scientific paper."

Course leader Dr Mervyn Roy, a lecturer at the university's department of physics and astronomy, said: "A lot of the papers we published are on subjects that are amusing, topical, or a bit off-the-wall. Our students are nothing if not creative.

"But, to be a research physicist you need to show some imagination, and this is something that the module allows our students to practice."

How James came across the Giant Peach

James and the Giant Peach, by Roald Dahl, is the story of a young boy called James, who lives with his parents until his world is turned upside down when they are eaten by an escaped rhino on a shopping trip in London.

James is forced to live with his cruel aunts, Spiker and Sponge, who live on a desolate hill near the white cliffs of Dover.

One summer afternoon, James stumbles across a strange old man who gives him a sack of tiny glowing-green crocodile tongues. He promises that if James mixes the contents of the sack with a jug of water and 10 hairs from his own head, the result will be a magic potion which, when drunk, will bring him happiness and great adventures.

However, on the way back to the house, James trips and spills the sack on to the peach tree outside his home.

The tree becomes enchanted and begins to blossom – creating a giant peach.

The aunts discover this and make money off the peach, while keeping James locked away. At night, he is forced to collect rubbish from the crowds who gather to see it. But one night, he ventures inside a tunnel in the peach which leads to the hollow stone in the middle. Here, James discovers a band of insects, also transformed by the magic of the green tongues. A centipede bites through the stem of the peach, releasing it from the tree, and it begins to roll down the hill, squashing the aunts. It rolls through villages and a famous chocolate factory, before falling off the cliffs and into the sea – where their adventures begin.

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  • Profile image for City_C10

    by City_C10

    Friday, January 04 2013, 6:24PM

    “Thanks for the feedback, the feedback does look similar somehow…! : )”

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    by knibbsie

    Friday, January 04 2013, 2:52PM

    “City_C10

    Your generalised comment is acknowledged, and despite Leicester not been my "Alma mater" I might even agree with you, but this is a specific piece of research which IMHO does not by any stretch of the imagination show that Leicester University "invests and pursues new schemes and continues to grow and improve each academic year. Fantastic work and I am sure Leicester University will become a top ten university in the near future." - How is this likely to make LU a Russell League University of the standing you state? How does this research add to human knowledge? - frankly it doesn't does it? but it does however adversely affect the imagination potential of children and should not therefore have been carried out or do we really want:- "NOW, what I want is, Facts. Teach these boys and girls nothing but Facts. Facts alone are wanted in life. Plant nothing else, and root out everything else. You can only form the minds of reasoning animals upon Facts: nothing else will ever be of any service to them. This is the principle on which I bring up my own children, and this is the principle on which I bring up these children. Stick to Facts, sir!"etc etc”

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    by City_C10

    Friday, January 04 2013, 12:39PM

    “The University of Leicester is a credit to Leicester. Each year the whole university invests and pursues new schemes and continues to grow and improve each academic year. Fantastic work and I am sure Leicester University will become a top ten university in the near future.

    Carry on the great work all. : )”

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    by knibbsie

    Friday, January 04 2013, 9:35AM

    “How you come to the variables takes some calculation but there are only two variables - I always wanted a B.Sc but could never collect together enough bottletops! Joking aside my main point here is don't muck with kids books and challenge kids imagination - read "Hard Times" (Chapter One) - I am not in accord with Mr Gradgrind's principles - I also met Ruth Lawrence and to be honest found her quite scary - Science is Science - Fiction is Fiction”

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    by heisspartacus

    Thursday, January 03 2013, 6:34PM

    “knibbsie

    You have included only two variables here, there are far more in the working out of this solution.”

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    by knibbsie

    Thursday, January 03 2013, 2:15PM

    “Kohelet

    In a word "Yes" - You have a given mass (which can only be pure estimate because you cannot know the exact mass of the Giant Peach) and you have a given amount of mass that a seagull can lift - then you simply divide the two factors (if you wanted to which I still wouldn't) With modern tools that would take seconds - love to see them do it with long division!”

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    by Kohelet

    Thursday, January 03 2013, 11:27AM

    “A light-hearted topic but still using serious mathematics at final year under-graduate level. Not post-grad research, so not tax-payers money. Happens all the time for first degree applied maths subjects.
    Any of you lot handle the maths involved?”

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    by Markymark002

    Thursday, January 03 2013, 11:02AM

    “Glad too see our taxes are keeping UK academic research at the forefront of scientific endeavour.”

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    by TheRutlandFox

    Thursday, January 03 2013, 9:29AM

    “Next studys coming up Noahs Ark COULD IT FLOAT?

    water into wine IS IT SAFE TO DRINK?

    walking on water WOULD YOU NEED A LIFE JACKET

    roll up roll up its all going on down in the Leicester Uni physics lab.
    Of course out in the real world of work, we discussed all this lot years back over a tea break and worked it out in 5 minutes. Oh how i wish I had a degree in physics”

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    by knibbsie

    Thursday, January 03 2013, 9:01AM

    “Well - it's a fiction book isn't it? I don't think any of us really believed in peaches this size, talking caterpillars, spiders or indeed that a kid would really be allowed to live on his own in a peach stone in Central Park without being taken into care! I also think that scientists should leave kids' stories alone - anything that challenges kids' imaginations and prevents them suspending disbelief is not a thing that they should do. What next? Challenge the possibility of the Great Glass Elevator shooting into space? Witches been able to change kids into mice? Makes me glad I've got a History degree which I wouldn't have got with such a lot of speculation and imagination - waste of newsprint.”

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