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Thursday, February 07, 2013
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At last the wait is over, and we do indeed have the last Plantagenet King of England interred in our city.

A warrior king who died on the battlefield fighting to keep the crown from somebody who he considered the usurper, moreover, a warrior king who died for his belief and buried, not thrown, in the River Soar, in Leicester.

Whether or not he was a bad king or good, all seem to pale into insignificance, when faced with the fact that the last king of England whose grave was unknown has not only been found, but found in Leicester.

It now remains to be seen if the city itself has the ambition and respect, that it takes to put our king back his final resting place, only now lauded for what he was, royalty.

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Will the city step up to the plate, and ensure that all due formality, respect and reverence that a king deserves is given. Or will they make a hash of it as seem all to often the case when it comes to dressing the city up and presenting the best of us to the world? Experience, however makes me wonder if yet again, the latter will be the case rather than the hoped for former.

Perhaps on this occasion to be safe, just to sure, we had better ask Nottingham to show us how it can be done, before we make fools of ourselves yet again?

Rob Thomas, Botcheston.

I applaud the team from the University of Leicester in discovering the remains of King Richard III but, I fear members of societies formed in honour of King Richard may be getting a little carried away with themselves, to the point of believing that they have some right in determining the fate of the skeleton.

I am amazed that, in such a short-time, an argument commenced as to where the remains of the late king should be reinterred.

The decision now seems to be reburial in Leicester Cathedral.

I raise this question (as one of the many Plantagenet descendants), "What right do Ricardians or the University of Leicester, regardless of the exhumation licence supposedly giving the university legal right to the skeleton, have in making the decision where a king should be buried?"

The only person who has any authority to decide the location of a new royal tomb is Her Majesty the Queen. I consider that Westminster Abbey is now the most appropriate location but it is the Queen's decision.

Ross D Harrison Snow, Wairoa, New Zealand.

Congratulations to all concerned on finding Richard III. May I ask our city mayor now we have found our last Plantagenet king where he is proposing to place all our new visitors to our city?

He wants to close St Nicholas Circle car park? Why? (I know he promised the Queen he'd build a park there for her but does she really want it?) The park and ride will be moved but no one knows where, possibly somewhere miles away from where you want to be.

He seems to want to make visiting Leicester as difficult as possible. The High Street is nearly impossible to visit, the car park opposite John Lewis takes forever to get into and this does not take into account the fumes generated by waiting cars to enter said car parks.

Mrs Chris Sleath, Leicester.

Your article on February 4 pictures the Old Blue Boar Inn. Does anyone know why King Richard may have stayed there on the eve of the Battle of Bosworth, rather than at Leicester Castle, which is only a few yards away?

Nigel Mutimer, Coalville.

Wasn't that excellent news: it really was Richard III in that council car park.

The council must be especially pleased. Richard has been there for 528 years. That is £4,628,448 in parking fees.

Colin Muir, Croft.

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    by knibbsie

    Monday, February 11 2013, 9:04AM

    “Whatever C G Lee - fact is I am a Republican but I fail to see why that would disallow me from commenting on this subject in a democracy - I am interested in the correct disposition of the remains of a human being where he would have wished to be buried - no-one has yet given me any reason why he would have wanted to be buried in Leicester in a grotty 1920s Cathedral subject to a religion he would have considered heretical and governed by Lizzie Windsor descended from his greatest enemy but *not* from him. Your counterfactual and facile comments that I am sure he would have been buried in the established church if it had happened before his death are just that - counterfactual and facile because it didn't so occur and indeed if he had not died at this time almost certainly wouldn't have happened because Henry VIII would not have been born. You are showing yourself merely to be a local xenophobe and a purveyor of fatuous arguments - you have merely given another - I do not dispute that we have 100's of thousands of soldiers buried in places they did not choose - this I think you will find was a case of logistics and numbers - it does not happen now does it - ever heard of Wootton Basset? The bones of Richard I were not buried where he fell in battle - and even though his entrails were we have not got those to do this to this Richard in *Market Bosworth* -what you are doing is putting this man in the same category as other historical cases of persons who had no say in where they were buried (if they were buried at all) - that is to say Convicted murderers - pirates - traitors - suicides (at least felo de se) and paupers - such exalted company you place 'your' warrior king in! Regarding the movement post-mortem of bodies I would point to the following examples of monarchs - Richard II and Mary Queen of Scots - in the former case Henry V moved this murdered kings body to atone for his murder by his father and to where he wanted to be buried - sound familiar? Looks like a barbaric medieval king has more respect for the remains of fellow Christians than does 21st Century Leicester! I went to university in Durham - a beautiful (not 1920s) cathedral with 2 saints in neither of whom were originally buried there However C G Lee your comments are facile but yours is more cerebral than old town leicester in the York Press who stated that Richard had particular affinity with Leicester because he called the castle "our castle of Leicester" - what he expected Richard to call it I am not aware - perhaps he could list the ones Richard called "Henry Tudors castle of....."? Using misquotes and spurious history does not help Leicester's case but I can't really blame you lot - you don't have even a smiggen of a moral of ethical case do you?”

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    by C_G_Lee

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 1:20PM

    “knibbsie, for one who claims to be a republican you have an awful lot to say on this matter in these columns. If you really don't care about royalty, I would suggest you stop your anti Leicester rant and let those who do care get on with the arrangements.

    As regards what Richard's wishes would have been, there are many millions of people buried in places where they would not chose to be, hundreds of thousands of WW1 and WW2 victims to start with, who are scattered throughout Europe, Africa, the Far East and beyond. do you suppose any consideration was given to their wishes?

    Your concerns about the appropriate form of service to be used at his reinterment are also, in my opinion, largely irrelevant. Richard died before the reformation, so clearly would have been a Roman Catholic, as all citizens of this country would have been at that time. If he had been born after the reformation I am sure that he would have had a funeral in the Established Church, as all monarchs since Henry VIII have.

    I am sure that when the reinterment does take place, representatives from all Christian denominations and from other religions, befitting Leicester's proud multicultural heritage, will be invited to have an involvement.”

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    by C_G_Lee

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 1:10PM

    “knibbsie, for one who claims to be a republican, you are making an awful lot of noise in these columns. If royalty is of no interest to you, I suggest you keep your nose out. There are many millions of people buried in places where I am sure they would rather not be, hundreds of thousands of WW1 victims, for a start. Nobody asked them if they wanted to be buried in France, Belgium and other remoter places.

    As regards your insistance that Richard should not be given a C of E funeral, may I remind you that the reformation took place after his death, and I am sure that if it had happened before he died, like all monarchs since, he would wish to be dispached in the Established Church.

    I am sure also that when the reinterment does happen all denominations and other religions will be invited to take part, having regard to Leicester's proud multicultural population.”

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    by knibbsie

    Friday, February 08 2013, 1:49PM

    “You are, Leicester (and I am from Leicester) showing no respect at all for "your" warrior king because you are burying him in a place he did not want to be buried in and no doubt according him the burial rites of a church that he would have considered heretical. In fact you are doing to him exactly what your Tudor sycophant ancestry did to him in 1485! Please also don't give me this royal hogwash - he was a man and human being and I would ask you to consider him rather than what you want to make your city look good!”

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    by keiran

    Friday, February 08 2013, 3:19AM

    “OK, we now know Dicky 3 is to be buried in Leicester.Good.I am sure there will be a statue,somewhere,to commemorate his trip to Leicester.
    Is it not possible for this City that seems awash with money for all sorts silly ideas to spend a few £s on our existing memorials.
    The war memorial in the grave yard of the now Greek Orthodox Chuch ,opposite The Mercury,is a prime example of decline and lack of respect.It is also next to "cultural quarter" so must have a few £s available somewhere.The Church have expressed absolutely no interest in repairs/maintainance.Sad but true.
    Come on Mercury/Ms Elvin see what you can do.
    Please!”

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    by LikeItaLot

    Thursday, February 07 2013, 3:41PM

    “Mrs Chris Sleath, if all these new visitors do come then their cars will only make your problem worse. You have not really thought your letter through, try Park and Ride”

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    by roundthehorne

    Thursday, February 07 2013, 12:47PM

    “@Mrs Chris Sleath
    One of the best ways of encouraging people to visit our city is to keep as many cars as possible away, so that the city centre becomes a nicer place to be. Perhaps you've heard tell of a marvellous new invention called a 'train'...”

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    by Stoned

    Thursday, February 07 2013, 11:01AM

    “Don't think for one minute that the Council will let Richard's descendants get away with this.”

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