Sense won the day on gay marriages

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Friday, February 08, 2013
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So, half the Tory parliamentary party went snarling through the "No" lobby in the way only Conservatives do.

A few Labour MPs also said "no", but in the end there were enough sensible MPs on all sides of the House to make sure that the Same Sex Marriage Bill (second reading) won the day.

There were some wonderful speeches, notably from Yvette Cooper, the shadow equalities minister, and Nick Herbert, the gay Tory MP who tried to persuade his colleagues that the world as we know it would not come to end if gay marriage became law.

I hope all those malcontent Tory activists who have resigned their party membership over this issue will scurry off and join the hopeless UKIP project or the BNP and leave David Cameron and Theresa May to try to further detoxify the Nasty Party.

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On this issue at least, the Tory leadership have shown great principle at the potential expense of the cohesion of their own party – though they still don't care enough for the poor and offer too much to the rich.

Mark Sperry, Leicester.

I beg to differ with the Mercury Opinion of February 4 that "it does nobody else any harm to legalise same-sex marriages".

In my view it is quite likely to do harm.

Individuals and organisations that have a conscientious objection to same-sex marriage – should a challenge be brought in the European Court of Human Rights (EHCR) – simply cannot be protected by the Government once an act of Parliament changes the meaning of the word "marriage".

EHCR cannot be trusted to protect these people. EHCR judges (not always known for sensible decisions) will make what they will from badly drafted legislation.

This will prevent individuals such as teachers and civil servants from being entitled to the right of freedom of thought, conscience and religion under Article 9 of the Human Rights Convention.

Some could lose their jobs. That will cause harm.

The fact is that gays, according to statistics, represent 0.1 per cent of the population. Very few of them want to get married, especially with the current cost of divorce.

Many relationships do not last. Already, some gays have found very expensive consequences of civil partnership legislation.

So why is the Government, with a lot of legislation pending, so eager to present us with another piece of badly drafted and ill-considered legislation opening the gate for the ECHR to trample on existing rights of expression by the majority?

Only human rights lawyers will be happy.

So much for the right of an individual to "manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance" contained in Article 9 of the Convention.

Michael Myers, Leicester.

This week, Parliament historically voted to support equal marriage.

Whether you love or loathe David Cameron, you have to give the man credit for leading many of his MPs through the "Aye" lobby.

What I found surprising was that so many of Leicestershire's Conservative MPs voted against these proposals, my own South Leicestershire MP, Andrew Robathan, included.

As a gay person of advanced years, I find it insulting that my elected representative sought to continue to discriminate against me and deny me the joy and happiness of married life that he is fortunate enough to enjoy.

Needless to say, Mr Robathan will not be receiving an invitation to my wedding, nor enjoying my support at the next General Election.

By going through the "No" lobby, he undid so much that his party's leader and more enlightened political colleagues had done in helping to sweep away the label of the Tories as the Nasty Party.

Ms T Sweet, Braunstone Town.

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    by agewait

    Monday, February 11 2013, 3:31PM

    “A real Crowd pleaser.”

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    by bikerdan82

    Monday, February 11 2013, 11:34AM

    “No Eastonian that's NOT what i wrote at all.

    Yes Homosexuals are a minority in this country, but they are backed on this cause by a majority (as shown in numerous independent surveys and the house of commons through votes). A minority (i.e. religious institutions) are against this, this is a non issue unless you are religious or affiliated with religion.

    Religion is homophobic and Vicars/Priest/Imams or Rabbis using terms like disgusting, abomination, unnatural etc etc are in my view, stiring up hatred for a minority group that has no choice in its sexual preference.

    Marriage is not owned by religion, it is sanctioned by the state and therefore it is for the state to determine what marriage is. Thankfully most people have moved on from the hatred preached within the bible, and as a society we have evolved marriage from the original terms set out in the biblical context, for the betterment of society (Unless you disagree and believe women should still be raped by their husbands, brothers in law should marry their widowed sisters in law etc etc??).”

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    by Eastonian

    Monday, February 11 2013, 8:23AM

    “Are you really saying, bikerdan, gays in this country are the majority?!!

    If you read what I said previously this is all to do with appeasing them who are a minority in this country.”

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    by bikerdan82

    Sunday, February 10 2013, 11:12AM

    “How is this a minority group "forcing" itself on a mjority?? I'm very sorry but the majority supports the minoity in this change, i think you've mistaken the issue here which is a minority (and predominately religious minority at that), trying to force its will on stemming equality for all.”

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    by maxmax16

    Sunday, February 10 2013, 9:43AM

    “another minority group imposing its will on the majority. our current crop of politicians are spineless wonders.”

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    by Eastonian

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 10:48AM

    “Commonsense certainly didn't win the day. This was all to do with appeasing a minority group and the redefining of the meaning of the word marriage which for the writer and others means the union of one man and one woman, nothing more nothing less.

    It is unfortunate that some either can't or won't understand that fact but they should be content with the already accepted term "civil partnership".

    It is not a question of discrimination nor equality. It is a question of altering the definition of marriage purely to encompass this minority group.”

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    by bapcav

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 9:16AM

    “Well done, Mark Sperry. An attack on the Conservatives, UKIP and the BNP in one breath.

    Grow up and be constructive.”

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    by johncatt

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 9:04AM

    “angelleb said 'The bible is what Christians follow and it states that s0d0my is a sin. A vicar that performs gay marriage will lose his congregation. Why is it that all the people that support this bill are atheists?'

    There are at least 40,000 versions of Christianity, every one of which claims to be the correct one. Yours is apparently homophobic and is fully within its rights to be so. However many other Christians support gay marriage - see http://tinyurl.com/akcxmgr and http://tinyurl.com/aygz86g .”

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    by spalding1944

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 8:15AM

    “Headline - Sense won the day etc -- did it ?”

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    by angelleb

    Saturday, February 09 2013, 12:38AM

    “ johncatt said "There will be plenty of churches where gays will be welcome to celebrate their marriages."

    The bible is what Christians follow and it states that s0d0my is a sin. A vicar that performs gay marriage will lose his congregation. Why is it that all the people that support this bill are atheists?

    It is up to christians what they want to do in their churches not up to the state!!! Equality is a two way street!”

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