“Oh j, leics you do make me smile.
Your "silly boy" comment makes you sound very juvenile, in fact just like a silly boy.Debate is debate and most adults can debate without resorting to name calling.Just to reiterate, yes I did say that hate preachers should be deported but no where did I say or imply that they where foreigners.That is again YOUR assumption.My reason for this comment was that if preachers of hate dislike Western values then as far as I am concerned they should be deported to an islamic state where, surely they would feel more at home.It does not matter to me where they originate from.You would have been better to have asked what was implied by my comment instead of just responding on impulse and misconception.Yes my origional post as been removed (maybe because some one flagged it as abuse eh j).I may be opinionated but racist? Never.Say no more.”

“One thing that people seem to be missing here is that Islam is no more a "monolithic" religion than christianity. As with christianity one denomination/sect can have completely opposite views to another, while all adopt the label of the religion (although many muslims don't like admitting this as it is contrary to the koran). So one sect may consider a face veil mandatory whilst another might not. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches.”

“I think you missed my point Mr Leicester. As i understand it, one of your problems with the Burkha is to do with the fact that the wearing of one can lead to people using them to commit crimes with impunity. My point re police uniforms is that they can be used in much the same way apparently.”

“"I notice that not many people have commented on the fact that a muslim country such as Turkey has itsself banned the veil.......... Says it all really.
Rich, Leicestershire"

Err, yes, I did. Do you not remember? I'll remind you:

"No Rich, it tells me more about the current political and religious tensions present in Turkey. Surely you are aware of these?"

I thought your response was, again, a joke (you seemed to think I was talking about tensions around the veil in that country!!!!!!!!). Are you being wilfully silly again or are you really unaware of the (actual) political and religious tensions that are causing serious problems in the country?

There is a battle for supremacy between secular and Islamic politicians in the country. Both sides are attempting to assert their power and the banning of the burkha is an example of this from the secular side.”

“"Let me explain for the ignorant, Islam is a religious theology and NOT a race of people"

Absolutely correct Lee, but you gave away your true colours when you demanded that extremist preachers be deported, i.e. you see such preachers as being foreigners. Silly mistake silly boy.

And your original comment has now been removed by the moderators. Say no more.”

“Mr Leicester, I await your demand for Darth Vader outfits to be banned in the name of public safety:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1297087/The-Empire-Strikes-Bank-Armed-robber-dressed-Darth-Vader-demands-cash-daring-raid.html”

“j, leics, abuse and name calling is a typical leftist form of attack."Racist", can you please tell me where I used any any racist comments.Let me explain for the ignorant, Islam is a religious theology and NOT a race of people.Muslims can come from any race and can be black, white or yellow.That blows you argument out of the water."Bigot", by your very response to my post it is you that is the bigot.As for the EDL, I am not and never will be associated with this organisation, so YOUR bigotted assumptions are again proved wrong.Before posting a response I suggest that you read up on defermation laws and then think seriously before you post your misconcieved vitriole.I will make no appologies for my views on Islam and who are you to dictate who can and can't post on here.You made no attempt to counter argue my points and I am as just as entitled to my point of view as you are to yours.A theology that encourages taqiyya is a theology that all need to be wary of.”

“No Fat Tim. That was an actual police officer that used force for no apparent reason that lead to the death of a person.

This matter has been investigated accordingly.

So no police uniforms should not be banned. Anyhow most police uniforms do not cover the entire face leaving only the eyes visible.”

“@ Mr Leicester...some valid points. However, imo crims are very unlikely to go to their local Asian tailor to get kitted out for the latest job they're about to go on. The recent case of Ian Tomlinson also shows that crimes can committed with impunity whilst wearing a police uniform....shall we ban them being worn in public, too?
@ Rich... I didn't mean to offend. I used the phrase you reproduced as, in my experience, the people who moan most often about the loss of the English culture are usually those who don't realise how important the embracing of other peoples is to our own culture and sense of national identity. We are, after all, a nation of immigrants.”

“"People droning on about our culture etc"

Well fat tim, this is what the article is all about - a different culture to ours. So how come when its another group, such as Muslims, they can have all the culture they want, yet when its a normal man in the street you class it as 'droning'? It has to work both ways dosent it? Or are we not allowed a culture?

"I totally agree with an earlier poster who said Muslims are rapidly becoming scapegoats"

Whilst this is not aimed at myself I would like just to comment that my veiws against the veil do not have agenda or malice. I am not anti-islam I am just a normal person who finds it bizzare and anti-social that people feel the need to hide their identities.

I notice that not many people have commented on the fact that a muslim country such as Turkey has itsself banned the veil.......... Says it all really.”