“After a second look, I'm going to retract my examples, since none match your initial definition of invisible.

invisible = "something still actually exists & can be physically touched & felt, it's just not visible"

And from your reply, should be expanded to:

invisible = "something still actually exists & can be physically touched & felt, it's just not visible directly or indirectly to the naked eye"

I think that will then also cover those with impaired vision.

But this definition doesn't fit non-corporeal beings, which can neither be seen by the naked eye nor be physically touched or felt.”

“O dear Keith,
Infra red cameras cam pick up infra red information so we know it exists.
A distant relative exists as we know they do as we have met. When they put down the phone, they don't just vanish into thin air.
Time is a man made concept.....just like religion/ Jesus & god.”

“I affirm those sentences as objectively true, independent of an individual's belief in them. So those words were unnecessary. Thank you for explaining your viewpoint, I understand now.

Surely you believe in invisible things: infra-red light, for example - felt but not seen.
A distant relative on the telephone? Not seen, not felt, but heard. Once they put the phone down?
What about time? Can you see it? Can you feel it?”

“Yes this is getting boring..... Best end it here & as you say agree to disagree as neither point of view can be resolved.”

“"I believe in both visible and invisible things."
Do you really believe that invisible things exist?
I don't, being invisible would mean that something still actually exists & can be physically touched & felt, it's just not visible
We will have to agree we disagree.........”

“"God gave us free will. God gave us life."
You should have put the words "I believe" in front of those 2 statements because it's what you believe but not all what others believe.
That's what I mean by blinkered believing, everyone agrees with you when they don't, or that's the impression you & others give by making such statements.
Like Dazzer says I believe you could be wrong, I don't know you are but I believe you could be.”

“1) I explained how my faith is not blind, below.
2) I believe in both visible and invisible things.
I don't understand how then you can conclude that I possess a "blinkered way of life".

It's regrettable that I bore you. The entire matter fascinates me and I suppose I must learn how to better get my excitement across.”

“Dazzer,
Keith has been on here before & is very straight in his views & belief. Nothing would shake him from what he thinks is the truth.
Best leave him to his invisible being & blinkered way of life, he'll just bore you to death.....”

“I do question. I contemplate. I read. I contemplate some more. If you recall, I wrote, "we are free to ask questions about it so that we can probe more deeply the inexhaustible mystery that is God."

God gave us free will. God gave us life. We use our free will to exterminate that life. Should God step in and prevent it? What then makes the will free? The freedom would be a deception and God does not deceive. Still, God does step in in different ways, for He wills all to be saved. In the fullness of time, He literally stepped in, becoming incarnate so as to destroy the sting of death, once for all.

Sure, religious people commit crimes. Being religious gives no special protection nor adds to nor removes from their humanity (at least from a Catholic point of view). And, yes, Catholics do undergo abortions and justify it. But they are in opposition to the Catholic faith, are objectively in error and are endangering their souls. So, also, those who assist them.

"Was it though...... or was it invented by man?"
If man was inventing a religion, would he have created one with the tenet, "Thou shall not commit adultery"?

"Interpretation........That's where religion falls down."
I see your point, and it is very evident in the different denominations of Christianity. Yet the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded, she is the trunk from which the others have branched off. She alone has the divinely conferred authority to interpret Scripture. That is why she still stands while the branches have changed their theology and doctrines so much over the years.

"Whatever was around before religion was invented, if not we'd all be religious and have blind faith wouldn't we?"
Is this a personal theory? That there was a time that there was no religion?
Catholic profess that the desire for God is written in the human heart. Only in God will man find the truth and happiness he never stops searching for.

"So why do so many evil people become catholic priests"
It may be true that they have evil inclinations in the first place and might be expert con men. For e.g. some theorise that communists and Freemasons successfully infiltrated the Church as priests.
It may also be true that they have obtained evil inclinations over time.
But this is all conjecture. I'm not aware of any study on this matter.
Your use of the words "so many" is personal prejudice, unless you can present empirical evidence.

"surely by your logic atheists must be more evil"
I'm not sure how you got that from what I wrote. I don't hold that opinion, neither does the Church.
I wrote, "Everyone knows the basics of divine law from the natural law." By which I meant that there are atheists who know good from evil by heeding natural inclinations.

Why would Tacitus do that? He was a secular historian and against the Christian faith.”

“Keith you believe you are 100% right
I believe you COULD be wrong. Has it not ever occured to you that you could be, have you ever questioned any of this or do just you accept it?
If god is the way, the creator or whatever did god not invent or design abortion, are people who commit crimes not religious?


Faith is not blind - we believe because it was revealed to us by God.
Was it though...... or was it invented by man?

Catholics depend on the living Tradition of the Church, which is guided by the Holy Spirit, to interpret the Bible.

Interpretation........That's where religion falls down.

And now we have a Church that has stood with the same essential structure and consistent teaching for more than 2000 years, enduring scandals, anti-Popes, schisms and persecutions. What other institution has stood for this long and in such a manner?

Whatever was around before religion was invented, if not we'd all be religious and have blind faith wouldn't we?

Yes, priests are leaders of the community, preaching the teachings of the Church, and we trust them a great deal. But, they are not preserved from human weaknesses, they don't become "gods". Given all this, yes, when they sin, it is a source of great scandal and priests & laity alike are impacted. But in spite of their sin, the Catholic faith, i.e. the message, retains all its authenticity and value.

So why do so many evil people become catholic priests, surely by your logic atheists must be more evil or is that down to "interpretation"

Tacitus was a historian...... who wrote about a ficticious, unprovable character.”