Friday, October 26 2012, 12:10PM
“..."But it does open doors to people who think they can get in on the band wagon"..
Red-herring...weeding out crank calls of abuse is pretty easy, small details will not be supporting other accusations/allegations. Investigators are quite capable of weeding these out quickly and effectively. Its not easy to claim compensation, there has to be either personal or financial loss/sufferring.... Those that are awarded it will be deserving of it. You only have to look at cases in the press to see how long and drawn out the process can be..even just establishing 'acountability'. i have heard one firm talk of sueing the Savile estate..I find it difficult to believe this will happen, unless current members of the family were involved either directly or helped cover up his actions. He, himself, cannot be found accountable as he is dead he cannot defend accountability, unless there is undisputable forensic evidence..and even then still debateable.
The press seem to stick in this 'compensation' goal anywhere they can in every story about the alleged abuse, it stinks of an attempt at discrediting the cases to me, they know what the general public will think. In fact I doubt very many victims thought about compensation at the time of making the allegations. And even those that do seek compensation, thats their business not ours :/”
Friday, October 26 2012, 1:32PM
“They fully deserve compensation”
Friday, October 26 2012, 2:35PM
“Yes they do MusicalK but It'll probably take years. I followed the haut de la garenne historical abuse case when it was going on, they have only just been told this year that they will be entitled to compensation and that investigation started around 2006/7. This case has at least 400 lines of enquiries at present, with 3 major lines that may be found 'accountable' so far. (BBC, Broadmoor, and stoke mandeville) these places would need to be shown to have been 'aware' of the situation and have not done enough to prevent or deal with the abuse. I cant see it being brought to a close in the near future.”
Saturday, October 27 2012, 4:06PM
“Mam35, and MusicalK,
I would have thought by the fact that the Victims have kept silent for all these years that they just need some kind of closure, by having history recognise the fact that for all the good Jimmy Saville did, it was with immoral foundations.
I don't agree that anyone deserves compensation.
I ask you again - who do you think should pay it?
Who will suffer?
There were Charities in his will, do you recover the money from those Charities to pay the victims?
I appreciate what you say Mam35 that weeding out the ambulance compensation fakers is fairly easy.. but it all takes time, and wastes resources which are better employed investigating the facts.
This whole debacle is already costing the public a fortune in terms of an investigation.
The BBC are facing dismissals and re-appointments which will result in costs,
The BBC are currently complying with an external investigation whilst conducting internal investigations, which is costing money - which is not what the license fee is meant to fund.
The BBC are more than likely going to be the ones paying compensation, which again is not what the license fee is intended for.
The fact is - no case has yet been proven.
When it is - then the image of Jimmy Saville will be forever tarnished.
His Family have already taken down his headstone as a gesture of respect to his victims,
If proven, I have sympathy for his victims. But for them to receive any kind of compensation from Mr Saville - they should have come forward when justice could have been served.
His estate no longer exists - and it's beneficiaries like I said, have done nothing wrong.
I maintain that any compensation should be given to a charity for victims of abuse,
and to prevent further abuse.”
Monday, November 05 2012, 9:51PM
Monday, November 05 2012, 9:55PM
“@MusicalK. "They fully deserve compensation". How will cash ever compensate? A new expensive handbag to ease the injustice, or maybe a pair of Laboutins to heal the pain? Surelycompensation should be for people injured and as a result unable to earn a wage and not for injured feelings - ridiculous. A sincere apology should suffice.”
Tuesday, November 06 2012, 10:03AM
“Have you considered that it might not be simply a case of hurt feelings for some. Perhaps the damage done has hindered their opportunities over the years, destroyed confidence, lowered self-esteem, made relationships difficult which could lead to problems such as depression etc.
I'm not totally unsympathetic to the views of Chappy and Karinfall though as I see their viewpoint and I agree that for some in this case the money would not add anything beyond the closure they'd already received.
I just think that some may have a case in terms of how what happened has possibly shaped their lives and not in a good way.”
Wednesday, November 07 2012, 2:59PM
“Mac - my point is, that if someone had have come forward earlier, then there is a possibility that many others could have been spared this abuse. To come forward after the man has died and can't defend himself is one thing, but to even contemplate talking about compensation when every single victim has had years of opportunity to seek justice, just doesn't sit right.
Yes they may have been ashamed, but no more ashamed or hurt than they feel now surely..
but as the evidence is being compiled without a defence - it's very easy for it to go undisputed.
I am not for a second saying they shouldn't have come forward, but perhaps sooner would have been better. How could so many keep silent for so long? Surely one of them out of so many would have said stuff the pressure, or there may have been a resultant suicide or breakdown. I don't know the full in's and outs so I can't speculate.”
Friday, November 09 2012, 7:58AM
“@ Chappy, I think many of the people involved were vulnerable. Evidence appears to be emerging that some reports were ignored by the authorities. Presumably because the idea of launching a prosecution against a major celebrity or member of the establishment could amount to career suicide.
Prior to Esther Rantzen launching Childline around 20 years ago childrens' complaints against adults, particularly high profile individuals, may not have been taken as seriously as we would wish.”
Friday, November 09 2012, 9:12AM
“Welcome back JayBe11, it certainly would appear that many of the alleged victims were particularly vulnerable but then again all children are vulnerable, especially under the influence of someone they feel they know through their celebrity status.
Whilst I agree with Chappy that it does seem strange that no-one has come forward until now, that might simply be because it's never happened to me. You often hear of cases where the victims don't speak out until twenty odd years after it happened and that's when the perpetrator is joe bloggs rather than a much-loved, charismatic, celebrity seemingly dedicated to charity work.
If there was ever a case where it would be understandable that no-one has spoken so long it's this one. Maybe the effect he had on them was so great only his death gave them the courage to do so.”
Friday, November 09 2012, 11:03AM
“I sort of concur Mac and Jaybe11 (long time no see by the way)..
I think that the whole talk of compensation so early in the investigation has muddied the waters and will only serve to slow things down though, and introduce presumed doubt over what might be legitimate cases.
They should have waited for the outcome. Then proceeded with any compensatory action.
If as it now turns out that full probate hasn't been settled, then the estate would be held in dispute until the outcome of any pending investigations. So there was and still is no need as yet to talk about compensation.
In the case of individuals at fault within organisations like the BBC and Hospitals.
These are all public companies, whilst they may have overall control of their budgets and policies, ultimately the public funds will pay any compensation on their behalf. I think that in any case where guilt or accesory is proven in those cases, the estates of the individuals should be liquidated in the first instance. (as many former BBC Commissioners are quite rich).
Only then should consideration be made on settling from the public trust. After all, the license payer and most current BBC Staff and NHS Staff aren't guilty.”
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