Thursday, November 08 2012, 8:26PM
“Very brave young men for WW1 and WW2 RIP all”
Thursday, November 08 2012, 11:21PM
“can't argue with that Rachel.”
Friday, November 09 2012, 2:12PM
“I agree Rachel:"Remembrance Day - Laurence Binyon's For the Fallen – we will remember them. Spot on, these brave men in the World War's died for US! Let us never forget, now brave men and women fight for the good of this country. I wear my Poppy with great pride, and owe so much to these brave young man in the past and now to the men & women of today. Thank you."”
Friday, November 09 2012, 5:56PM
“I may well give money but I definitely won't wear one. I feel that by wearing a poppy it suggests I approve of the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan and I most definitely don't. It is a difficult one as I pity the men over there as I feel it is a pointless exercise and they have been duped.”
Friday, November 09 2012, 8:22PM
“I wear my poppy with pride as it should not be a political statement. It is a sign of remembrance to those who have lost their lives not a show of support to those who choose where they are sent.”
Friday, November 09 2012, 9:01PM
“Karenfall1955 its not the aproveing of the conflict in Afganiastan or Iraq its for the Fallen from all the wars we have had that includes Northern Ireland Cyprus Bosnia Kosevo 1st world war 2nd world war Need I go on.”
Saturday, November 10 2012, 12:40AM
“Karinfall1955 - You have never served, and you say they have been duped.I signed up in peace time - I was never conned into entering conflicts.. it was my Job.It takes a different kind of person to get out of bed every day knowing they might not get back in it again at night, or they might be carrying the body of their oppo back.Everyone in the armed forces knows the risks, and fortunately for them, they know what they are fighting for, because as well as the enemy, they meet those they are fighting for face to face, not in the pages of some tabloid, where the opinion of the reporter taints the opinion of the reader.As Moggy said, it's not about your approval,The Poppy is a symbol of the Haig Fund, and represents all those who have fallen, both military and civilian in the defences of this country and it's allies. Your donation means nothing without your support. I hope you don't have such disregard for the 2 minutes we ask of your life once a year.enough said.”
Saturday, November 10 2012, 11:19AM
Saturday, November 10 2012, 7:35PM
“The whole principle of those who fought and died was freedom. Freedom to say what you think; freedom of choice; freedom to wear a poppy or otherwise. Thankfully we live in such a society. There are still those who feel uncomfortable wearing a red poppy even though they donate, it can appear that you blindly support wars. I have the greatest respect for those who lost their lives but not for those who sent them.”
Sunday, November 11 2012, 12:20AM
“Karinfall1955 - i don't want to even consider the repurcussions of not having called up troops for the first and second world wars. And despite what many think of Margaret Thatcher, anyone who has been to the Falklands may be forced into a different view when they see the gratitude they have for our support.
Some people are paid to make tough decisions, they don't make them in autocracy, (even Tony Blair). Those who do make decisions regarding wars on an autocratic basis usually are remembered in history as those who were defeated, why? because Dictators rule in fear, they cannot motivate their troops effectively, why? Because 1 Volunteer is worth ten pressed men. Although people were called up in our own history, there were thousands, often underage who were ready to lay down their lives in defence of this country and in aid of our allies.
May I remind you that rememberance Sunday has no political agenda,
it's not about the Prime Minister or Leaders who sent troops into conflicts, or the presumed illegitimacy of said conflicts. It's about those who served their country and didn't come back.
That is why the ceremony transcends generations and governments without any political spin.
Choosing not to wear a poppy in protest against Blair and Bush etc - won't affect them one jot, but what it will do is show that you are prepared for one day to put your political prejudices before the sacrifice of those who don't have the luxury of choosing whether to wear a poppy or not.
I am sorry - I am not a blair fan - he ultimately made the call on Afghanistan and Iraq, but I don't wear a poppy in support of his decision, I wear it in remembrance and gratitude of the sacrifice made by My Brothers in Arms. The very same people who drive green godesses when the firemen go on strike. Who work in sorting offices when there are postal strikes at Christmas, the same ones who protect you from terrorists by going out gathering intel, the same ones who rescued the people of Montserrat, or brought Britains back from war zones, or delivered aid to Bangladesh or Policed the Olympics, or Helped with Civil disasters by sandbagging rivers, who policed and carried out the Foot and Mouth incineration, and who dress up when they aren't on active duty, to march around and look pretty for tourists.
But most of all I am sorry, because I am still around after my service has finished, and have to suffer the inane views of those who want to make protests on my behalf, can't make one tiny gesture of respect and gratitude for one day every year, for those as I have said before, don't have the luxury of making that choice themselves.
Sunday, November 11 2012, 12:45PM
“These men gave their lives for us and should be honoured and respected by EVERYONE living in this country, no matter what their race, religion etc.”
Monday, November 12 2012, 7:20AM
“MY COUNTYRY.MY HEROES ,ONE AND ALL .”
Tuesday, November 13 2012, 9:30AM
“Jaybe careful mate..
For the information of those who assume that November 11 and the Poppy appeal is only for World War 1 and 2. The Royal British legion defines the appeal and services as:
"In Rememberance of all of those who have fallen in the Service of this country, it's Sovereign territories in Both the 1st and Second World war and subsequent conflicts since 1945."
This includes, Nurses, Doctors, Air Raid Wardens, ordinary people who have done amazing acts of gallantry and bravery. I appreciate (rather than congratulate) Rachels post, and don't feel any need for the ensuing animosity or statements of protest, or claims of immaturity.
Lets leave it at that shall we?”
Tuesday, November 13 2012, 7:47PM
“Thanks for the posts and hope we all showed our respects on Sunday just gone x”
Tuesday, November 13 2012, 7:57PM
“Rememberance of everyone Chappy who have thought and died for this country. That is final, and well done to Rachel_Leics, for bring this post to us all.”
Tuesday, November 13 2012, 8:18PM
“No, thank you Rachel for the mature post and your efforts, you should be very proud. :)”
Tuesday, November 13 2012, 11:24PM
“Happy 1900 it's not in rememberance of everyone who has "thought" or even fought, and died for this country.. so it is not final, because you are wrong.. The QARRNS have their own Memorial, as do the Merchant Navy, The Police and Fire Service, and all are honoured on Nov 11, along with members of the Womens Land Army killed in the Blitz.Now lets not sully their memory by arguing any further. We all agree that they deserve to have their memory honoured. So whatever you find wrong in what anyone has said, can you not just leave it at that. Is it so difficult?Sorry Rachel for carrying this on, Thankyou again.”
Wednesday, November 14 2012, 9:32PM
“I do feel anyone is arguing Chappy - Let us leave it there and show our respect by agreeing about one thing. We are all grateful to the brave service men & women and God bless their memories forever.”
Monday, November 19 2012, 12:08PM
“There is no need for argument, there is no need to have pride in yourself, and there is no need to tell others who have posted to feel proud.
my words, my feelings...
In remembrance and in the shadow of those who made the ultimate sacrifice I have no pride, only humble thoughts of gratitude. I offer a tear, a prayer and a Salute, for the light of freedom which now shines brightly through veil of uncertainty, and may we be thankful to them all, forever more.”
Wednesday, November 21 2012, 6:33PM
“Remembrance Day/Armistice Day - absolutely. Poppies - no thanks. As a symbol of the British Legion I don't particularly want to wear one.Left the Forces in 2006 and returned to civvy street, had quite a lot of problems mostly resulting from two tours of Iraq in quick succession. Rang the RBL for guidance/assistance and was told "that's not in our remit" and had the phone hung up on me. Tried again on different number, was told that someone would call me back inside an hour. Phone never rang, and I've heard similar stories from other ex-servicemen.There are plenty of better organisations out there that actually DO help ex-servicemen (SSAFA, Combat Stress, Help for Heroes), but the Legion is just a gravy train for ex-National Service types. As a symbol of that group, I don't buy the poppy anymore but I do make a donation to those groups that actually bothered to try and help me - even if they couldn't do very much of themselves. (Thankyou Combat Stress and SSAFA). No thanks to the RBL.RIP the fallen. They deserve more than just trite comment, and more than we as a nation offer their memory today.”
Wednesday, November 21 2012, 9:01PM
“whitmore, I respect your genuine reason for not wanting to wear the symbol of the RBL - it sounds like you (and many others) have a genuine grievance, and if so your reasons are valid,not like those who don't want to wear it in protest at the political leadership who chose to commit our the forces to conflicts. I left time done - 22 years - and am aware of the work these other organisations do for those of us who are from a different generation. The VSC and the UJC in London are examples of what can be achieved independently of the RBL.I really feel we shouldn't need a multitude of aftercare charities and organisations, they should all be run under one roof, and properly. I am finding it difficult at the moment to face up to facts that what I did and the responsibility I had counts for nothing in the Job Market, if some kid half my age has done a 2 day course that I've never heard of.We all feel let down from time to time, and sad but true that Civvies will be quick to criticise us when we offend their sensibilities, but quick to praise us and those before us when they need to feel better about themselves, but one thing they will never do - is understand us, and the fact that we all have different needs.I am glad you found the right organisations to help you, but the Legion has done a lot for my Grandad, but as their numbers become fewer, I do agree it's time to move forward with what they provide and who they provide it too, rather than just being a charity that builds memorials, holds functions and raises money seemingly just to keep itself going.I wear the Poppy, not for the living but for the Dead. But that is my choice.”
Thursday, November 22 2012, 7:51PM
“@ Chappy1884 - couldn't agree more. Bring other organisations under the RBL umbrella, make it straightforward for servicemen to access the group that they need, and actually make the Legion into something that works and genuinely contributes to the modern ex-service community. Far too often all we ever see or hear of the RBL except in the run-up to November, are the workingmens clubs, and those are rapidly dying a death.Good that they were able to help your grandad though, and am sure for the right people they do a sterling job.Good luck with the jobs market also - I know what you mean about responsibilities and not having the right tick-boxes on a CV - makes you livid, when you know that you can do the job 10x better than someone who attends the "2 day course."”
Thursday, November 22 2012, 10:25PM
“Nice to get a real perspective Whitmore - like I have said to others, although we don't hold the RBL in the same regard - we are grown up enough not to put each other down for our views.The main reason, because we've both explained why we have our views, and we can both appreciate the reasons we have each given.Best wishes to you also, I hope you got all the right support you needed, and if you ever need to put the world to rights over a pint with an ex matelot.. it can be arranged. Always time for those who know what we need, rather than those who think they do.”
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