Sunday, December 30 2012, 6:37PM
“The price of living is getting too high despite how much you earn. I hope that the government can find away to try and get Britain back into the labour markets at home and abroad. This then might help to ease the pressure and costs of fuel, food (etc). Inflation rates and much more could lead us to a very expensive 2013 and beyond…”
Sunday, December 30 2012, 6:41PM
“It's unbelievable how food prices are rising in the shops. A small bag of rice that I paid 88p for a few weeks ago was now £1.12. Look at the cost of fuel & rail travel.Where does the government find its inflation figures? Probably based upon the price rises of champagne, oysters and caviar.”
Monday, December 31 2012, 3:21PM
“Greed is a big economic problem..Make as much money as you can with mass production, for as little expense as possible..it means companies outsourcing abroad, paying as little tax as possible, employing as many as possible on the minimum wagw..I think its disgusting that big companies with billions per year in profits are allowed to pay employees minimum wage, and even then sometimes choose to outsource departments to foreign shores like India because they can pay less then our minimum wage to them, and still pay little tax...something needs to give, and it doesnt take much working out what that is really.....”
Monday, December 31 2012, 3:48PM
“A tough year ahead and we'll see ehat happens. I will welcome 2013 tonight :)”
Monday, December 31 2012, 4:01PM
“When did any government put the people of this country first?”
Wednesday, January 02 2013, 12:21PM
“Inflation whether it be on champagne or steel is irrelevant llamalamb - it's still inflation.. consumer products are not the only things governed by inflation.Everyone has this image of a fat cat government, backslapping their peers and giving handouts to big business owners, whilst milking the little guy for every penny - by taxing essentials.This is absolute nonsense.The consumer always has the right to choose.Smoking - too expensive - cheapest alternative - not smoking..Short Car Journeys - too expensive - cheapest alternative - walking.HP Sauce - too expensive - cheapest alternative - don't buy it..Petrol from Total or Texaco - too expensive - buy it from Sainsburys..Big Business doesn't make you buy things.. you don't have to buy imported fruit.. fair trade or not..you can live without coffee on every street corner..that text your kids sent to their mate in the next classroom.. probably not essential..all of the choices you make with your money - ultimately line the pockets of those you feel are forcing you to buy everything, and david has hit the nail on the head, regarding tax,it's all paying for the Welfare system, because we don't work to help ourselves.. we'd sooner pay cheap migrants and watch Jeremy Kyle on our LCD TV, made in Korea, and running on French Owned Electricity, being heated by Russian Gas, rather than getting out there and earning our own living..So we blame the fat cats, because it's easier...”
Wednesday, January 02 2013, 3:52PM
“The UK is entering its 'post- industrial age' . We have been having living standards based on a successful country with good exports of both visibles and invisibles to maintain that lifestyle.Well it is over. So living standards must drop for the majority of the UK population. This will mean less travel, eating less desirable food, not having warm homes but paying lots in taxes!Many sensible people have cleared off already as the population is growing far faster than teh work available, benefits will be stretched and reduced continually. I see a time when the statutory pension will be means tested, it is unaffordable as it the NHS will be be more and more 'pay if you want treatment', otherwise suffer .No politician will admit to these facts as they are scared and do not know what to do as it is beyond their comprehension. Cleary, some will milk this position and get rich as the poor are fleeced out oftheir last few crumbs.”
Wednesday, January 02 2013, 4:46PM
“@ chappy1884Spot on.”
Wednesday, January 02 2013, 4:54PM
“I'm a delivery man by trade and I've delivered to some areas where the kids look like they haven't got 2 penny's to rub together, going to school all scruffy and dirty (think Oliver Twist) but there parents walk with them, fag in mouth, iPhone in hand and then go to the local shop to buy a 4 pack of Stella. They then go home to there 42" LCD TV and put there feet up, relaxing watching sky sports knowing full well the parcel they have ordered from amazon is on its way. Like as been said already - people have a choice.”
Thursday, January 03 2013, 11:02AM
“Companies such as Gas, Electricity etc can charge whatever they wish, as we all need this service (or use it). As' The Government' had a great idea many years ago to sell off all its assets to greedy businesses we are now facing the backlash of Margaret Thatcher privatisation. Companies have the consumer and the powers that be on their knees.”
Thursday, January 03 2013, 11:15AM
“Ivan TheGreat: I think you are in the wrong job, you would probably command an excellent salary writing a column for the Daily Mail. 'Chappy1884' might help you write your column.”
Thursday, January 03 2013, 3:56PM
“@ reubedube Again, I 100% agree the DM and all newspapers write rubbish :)”
Thursday, January 03 2013, 4:23PM
“reubedube - you obviously know nothing about me.. considering I wouldn't wipe my backside with that scaremongering apocalyptic sensationalist rag..I don't know IvantheGreat either, the thing it would seem that we both have in common is that people say they don't have enough money for this and that.. when they prioritise on buying unnecessary luxuries, or can't see where they can save money by making simple adjustments.What a recession teaches you is to be frugal.I have noticed a lot of people take offence or assume that anyone who questions a system which rewards laziness and squandering of riches is deemed an elitist.The fact is during the Blair Brown era - Britain spent, and borrowed, and spent, and borrowed more.. we plumped up the pillows of those who wanted a cushy life, we created loads of new jobs to administer this system, and by inflating benefits and subsidising the wrong things we have created a nation reliant on it, and we are subscribed to subsidising a regime which we didn't elect (Europe), and in return people can move freely to our shores. We blame these people, but it's not their fault - it's our fault, we made Britain cushty for them, we don't want to do 8 hour days.. so the employers simply found others from within Europe who do want to work.Still we blame Europe, We Blame the Government, and City C10 now blames the utility companies - So I ask City C10 a questionWhich is cheaper to run,An Empty house where the occupants are at school or work, or out trying to find work and keeping fit by walking?or a house where everyone is in, the TV is on, where people play video games, smoke and drink and have pets to relieve their boredom?Gas Prices and Electricity Prices are expensive - it is true.But so is the cost of maintaining the infrastructure, Whilst I agree that Companies aren't transparent about how much of their costs are profit, the government is planning to regulate this sector. But one FACT is this - the National Grid has recently overhauled the entire network, at an enormous cost and 20 years late.. why 20 years late? because they couldn't afford to do it earlier.Everything is relative..Rail price increases.. people are moaning (including me)... but when explained - the actual cost of tickets only covered 50 percent of the operating costs with subsidies, they are aiming for 75 percent. To justify the costs I agree that train operators should make all their figures and profits transparent. I am now appraised of the situation, though it doesn't mean I have to be happy about it.. I am not blaming some mythical rich top one percent for mucking up my life.. because it simply isn't true.. You always have a choice..”
Thursday, January 03 2013, 9:07PM
“"So I ask City C10 a questionWhich is cheaper to run,An Empty house where the occupants are at school or work, or out trying to find work and keeping fit by walking?"Chappy?”
Thursday, January 03 2013, 9:08PM
“Just seen that David, lol!”
Friday, January 04 2013, 5:16PM
“chappy..i dont think its people 'taking offence' I think its those that are lving on, or have lived on benefits. It really doesnt take much for people to go and look at the rates of benefits, it doesnt change for anyone, its a flat rate, you dont get more than entiltled to, people should look and work out for themselves what people can buy and get. I mean I pass all my old contract phones onto family when i get an upgrade, including my last iphone, just because someone has one doesnt mean they paid for it..sky tv can be got for very little a month and some may of had that before becoming unemployed, and who says they are actually able to pay the bill, know I couldnt when I was on benefits, but it was 6 months before it was finally cut off. I also wonder how people seem to know so much detail about others lives, I wouldnt have a clue if my nextdoor neighbour cliamed benefits...In fact me and my daughter were discussing that the other day, as her neighbour ha 'presumed' they were on benefits, when in fact her partner only works night-shifts, so yes he is home during the day :/”
Saturday, January 05 2013, 4:03PM
“The unemployed are the only ones who can afford to live!”
Saturday, January 05 2013, 5:58PM
“Only if you believe the hype! The 'undeserving poor' ....Benefits are calculated on the minimum needed to live on, hence why they are supposed to rise in line with inflation or the minimum standard is lost...absolutely no-one is better off on benefits then they would be in work when calculated with 'in work' benefits, and that is a fact.”
Sunday, January 06 2013, 9:36AM
Sky TV - regardless of price - Essential or not?
Mobile phone - regardless of where you get the equipment from - are all the calls made on it or texts sent or Facebook data usage racked up essential or not?
David - I very rarely agree with, but in part on this one - I do.
only minor details - in that I am unemployed, but I am pro-active, and I claim nothing,
no job seekers, housing benefit. not a thing. My forces pension totals a lot less than benefits, but to claim anything I have to surrender some or all of it.. (despite working for 22 years to earn it.)
I take nothing from the system. I get by by cutting my cloth - getting rid of things I deem unnecessary. I have Sky - but if I don't get a job soon, it will be cancelled.
I don't understand why other people can't make the correlation between not being able to afford what is actually necessary, and wasting money on things that simply aren't.
Whether they are on low wages or on benefit, you always have a choice.. that is my point and always has been.
No one can justify not putting the heating on, or feeding their families or themselves, when they waste money on other things.. (even the lottery goes out the window when times are hard).
I really don't see what is so wrong with this point of view.”
Sunday, January 06 2013, 9:42AM
“cityc10 - you have quoted me out of context.. because the first instance of the word "or" shows a second variable in the first example,
There divisive use of the word "or" occurs later, to form the argumentative of the first part of the question.
Being a teacher - I would have expected you to be able to spot this, by reading past the first use of the question mark, as per multi-choice exams which your profession seem so fond of nowadays.”
Sunday, January 06 2013, 10:10AM
“.... I have Sky - but if I don't get a job soon, it will be cancelled.Exactly my point...I wonder how many unemployed actually pay the bill..How many get in debt? How many borrow off peter to pay paul? How many actually live the lifestyle that the government and daily mail and such like have us believe? I doubt its very many....As for a lifestyle choice, why would many do that? When you can earn as much as JSA in work and keep the level of the other benefits (which are means tested and not 'out of work' benefits) which then taper off at around 60p in the pound, it still works out that you will be recieving those benefits way over the amount that you get in JSA..plus working tax credits on top.....Nobody is better off out of work, no matter what this government spurts out.”
Sunday, January 06 2013, 10:38AM
“Are we all greedy?x”
Sunday, January 06 2013, 11:05AM
“I dont know about that Rachel, but I think ordinary folk like ourselves spend far too much time worrying what our neighbours may be getting, and while we are all busy battering each other with a stick, someone above is bleeding us all dry, its called divide and conquer :)”
Sunday, January 06 2013, 12:36PM
“I think you've got divide and conquer a bit wrong Mam35,
a political party will always pander to the popularist concensus around election time.
Labour have cottoned on that the majority of ordinary folk are annoyed with the middle and upper class - the middle class feel let down by the conservatives as they are serving and feeding both ends of the wedge, and the upper class are uneasy in their seats as they are always in the line of fire no matter which party is in power.
The fact that labour have forgotten is the mess we are in was brought about on their watch.. now they are quick to point out what is so wrong about how the coalition are dealing with it, but never ask the question of themselves, if they know all the answers why did we ever end up in this mess?
The coalition aren't in power because the middle class and upper class voted them in, they are in power because labour made a pigs ear and their usual voters didn't trust them.
Medicine never tastes nice, but it's essential to restore health, that is what we are having to suffer now. Labour created more peers than any party in history, yet they call the tories a party for the rich, turning a blind eye to the fact that as a normally more numerous party, they have just as large a proportion of wealthy peers. What is astonishing is how fast they've changed their tune.
Divide and conquer implies you are imposing your will on your subjects, so they fight each other and cannot gain strength to oppose your reign. In our democracy, with mistakes being made here and there, and embarrassing incidents all over, any political party would be utterly foolish to think they can ride out a term with impunity from the electorate.
I just wish they'd stop defending proposals and actually implement some policies.”
Sunday, January 06 2013, 2:02PM
“There is no point arguing political stances, for example you say the mess was 'created' on labours watch..I could easily argue that the stage was already set by previous governments.....
I havent got my opinion on divide or conquer wrong either...When we see those on a low income, turning against those on even lower incomes because they thing those people are somehow 'better off' then them...even the unemployed now berating and shouting the odds at others in the same boat. Its very apparent to me right now. The divide and conquer, is the kind that creates divides within sections of society...and the conservatives are very good at it”
Monday, January 07 2013, 10:50AM
“I actually respect people on lower income,
Anyone who has the discipline to get up and do a demeaning job for a low wage whilst someone else sits at a desk looking down their nose at them deserves respect.
My problem is with those who don't lift a finger but are the first to complain when their benefits hang in the balance. I have never believed the rich should look after the poor other than to give them fair and honest employment.
Every man should earn his own living. Some are too reliant on handouts, and it is those people who don't work who expect others to subsidise their leisurely lifestyle that cause problems.
The government can't win either way - they aren't trying to get one side to blame the other, because the rich are the potential employers who will pay corporation tax and higher taxes per capita, the middle are the main source of funds and generally cause the least trouble, and the workers at the bottom are the ones with the most to lose from small cuts, and beneath that we have a free loading undercurrent who take from all 3 tiers above them whilst contributing nothing. No government can benefit from dividing the working or self sufficient sections of society. If those who don't work but continue to drain the well dry have a problem with that - it is their problem, but it's fast becoming everyone's problem.
I wish everyone would just stop blaming everyone else. If we all got our own houses in order and cut the unnecessary things from our budget, or put litter in bins, and reduced the need to have councils clear things up, or at least tried to earn a living then things would improve.
We spend too much time imposing tax and cuts to cater for the few who take so much and cause most of the social issues and expense in this country instead of spending the money making the country better for everyone and improving our stature in the world.
Before any of you blame someone else - banks, government, neighbours, rich, poor, single mums etc.. have a good look at what you can improve in your own life.”
Monday, January 07 2013, 12:33PM
“I think we are always going to differ with our opinions on the unemployed Chappy, its not such a bad thing, differring opinions and views are what make the world go round :) Im not so sure there are very many livin a 'leisurely lifestyle' or thinking the world owes them something, when you think that the second highest cause of unemployment is redundancy (youth unemployment is the highest, although in most circumstances short lived).You are taking my views on 'divide and conquer' as the defined meaning in political science. Its the broader meaning that im talking about...No-one can deny that when this government put forward the welfare bill, that it was very poorly explained, we had many people 'presuming' that people on benefits were getting 26k in thier hand, that people on benefits were spending all day in bed with curtains closed (pretty much said by cameron in his famous speech) That they had 'chosen' that lifestyle' and had no intention of finding work. Im not even sure the government didnt even believe that themselves or intentionally meant to mislead, which would be quite incredible. But I think thay have had a few crashes back to earth, the biggest being the recent failures of their work programme as the jobs were not there at the end.”
Monday, January 07 2013, 1:06PM
“Although I will say I do agree with the changes to child benefit. Some years ago I would have been one of the many that would have voluntarily opted out (I believe the figures of those that have chosen this option is much higher then was expected) But I do hope there is a system in place where if needed it can be put back in place easily. As we know this life is full of the 'unknown', and now im not working, and my partners wage is not great, I do use it :)”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 7:00AM
“Mam, you forget, that I am unemployed, so is my cousin, he claims JSA and dresses like a chav, smokes, is out down the pub and clubbing most weeks, where I get up and am playing at being house husband, he also has a kid from a previous relationship who my auntie has stay over every weekend, but my cousin hardly has anything to do with him and doesn't pay hardly anything toward. My Auntie has him over so his mum (also unemployed), can go out on the lash and have sunday morning to recover..
Everytime I see my cousin he is on the play station, or out the back smoking..
I spend most of the day trying to get on courses or looking for a Job.
I get a small pension from the forces - and therefore can't claim anything - (nor do I want to.)
I just want a job to get me out of the house (it would reduce my costs in heating and bills not being here for a start).
As you can see I am up at ten to 7 - my Cousin rarely gets up before 9.
If this is a one off then I would agree, but nearly all my old mates from the Navy have relatives or friends like this.. so whether we are the few or not.. it maybe stereotyping, or a misconception as some would state, but the fact is.. there are a lot (not a few), who can't be bothered to even look for a job, who can't be bothered to look after things they are given to them, who waste their benefits, who blame "the big society" for their failings,
It's not hard to look for work, (I accept you might not get it - but the early bird catches the worm).
It's not hard when you have time on your hands to clean up your property, do a bit of volunteering (which may lead to a job contact).
It's not hard to put rubbish in bins.
It's hard at first to give up smoking, but once you do it will save money.
It's takes will power to tell your mates you can't afford to go out drinking, it will make you less lethargic the day after for a start, and you'll have more money left.
Everyone is too quick to make excuses for retaining things they simply don't need, and to make a few simple lifestyle choices which will help them get work, then when they earn a crust they can do what they like with the money, but then they'll have to be responsible in order to keep the job.. too many people (not all as I've previously said), are too lazy and ill disciplined,
which is why we have so many police documentaries showing brawls and yobs causing trouble, and programs like Jeremy Kyle.
I go back to my point.
What is wrong with getting yourself sorted rather than expecting someone else to do it for you, whilst you carry on as you are.. (NOT YOU PERSONALLY MAM35).
But you are right you will always struggle to convince me that everyone on benefits is deserving or grateful. There are a lot who genuinely need it, but there are a lot who are as I have described, unfortunately it's those who can't be bothered who are dragging the rest down.
Making excuses for the nice ones, will never solve the problem with the bad ones.”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 9:28AM
“I am aware, and I have said before that there is a certain amount of those who are not looking for work, ive also said I find this very sad, as we know that working brings its own benefits, not just finacially but personally. We also cannot ignore that a big cause of unemployment is redundancy, there are not many who have 'never worked' or havent had the intention to work. I think berating or taking more from these people is not actually the way forward. I do think in a lot of cases theres almost a resignation or depression from 'normal' society, most of the people ive met that are on benefits or have been, were feeling down or low on confidence during that time, I dont think the name calling and labels by the media really helps that to be honest.”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 1:24PM
“you are right, name calling doesn't help, but when I joined the forces they were crying out for people, there was a recruitment shortage.
during my training I was kicked up the backside - metaphorically, and whipped into shape, there were a few who didn't want to be there and ultimately were weeded out and sent home.
some people couldn't cut it, but at least they had a go, and they will have learned something.
I know people who were fitter than me, did better at school, but have never held down a job, because they have a bad attitude.. if they'd joined the forces with their attitude they'd have found themselves on the receiving end of a lot more than name calling.. and saying they were feeling down would have resulted in being told either "Man Up" or "Sling your hook".
There is nothing wrong with verbally shaking people up and weeding out the dossers every now and then, and if it upsets them, or upsets other people who wish to get upset on their behalf then fine.. Society as a whole needs to "Man up" and take responsibility, instead of blaming everyone and everything else, because even though I am out of work I still pay my way and I am sick of being expected to pay everyone elses way, and told to work harder to sustain someone elses easier life.”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 1:46PM
“I agree Chappy..but the 'shame' method never works, neither does taking away money to live on. The natural response to an attack is to go defensive, and when that doesnt work then defiance. And I think thats where we stand right now..I do think it needs effort from both ends aswell, the jobs market is pretty dire now and has been for some time, im not talking about vacancies, im talking about opportunity and prospects for progression in work. I remember in another thread you were saying about possible solutions and schemes, learning a trade, where apprentices would rebuild the cathedral, and thats the kind of forward thinking needed, jobs where there is results, where a good trade is learned...not dead-end minimum wage demoralising jobs..nobody minds taking them to make ends meet when the prospect for bettering themselves is available..unfortunately in most cases its not there :/”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 2:19PM
“I have always maintained mam35 - that some single mothers use the excuse of expensive child care as a reason not to go looking for a job or to learn new skills.
It doesn't take a genius to work out that these single mums could solve their own problem.
If five single mums each with 1 child looked after all the kids for 1 day a week each,
the other four days they could all attend some sort of course.
Maybe even set up their own crèche in a community centre and understudy a full time carer, then when they are qualified run it themselves and train someone else up.
This would increase the number of child care places and create a bit of competition. Initially they would be using it for themselves but as their kids reach school age, they could carry on and charge those from outside their area. If more small groups had the presence of mind to do this, they could get support from the government to help with training and support, and eventually they could end up running their own business, bringing money in.
They already look after their kids, sometimes each others kids, so why not turn it into something productive?”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 2:41PM
“Im not sure of the legal implications with that one Chappy, certainly any funding would have to come from their own pockets, and done on their own premises unless (or until) one is fully qualified as a childminder. It might work for some.”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 4:23PM
“It a home is not working then it is not functional – Why should others have to pay for people who do not wish to work? If I want to stay in a 5 star hotel should I ask the taxpayer's to foot the bill as well, or do I have to pay the extra (if not all of the bill)?”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 5:25PM
“So we make a policy that affects the majority... for the actions of a minority? Those described by Chappy, those 'who do not wish to work' are still in the minority compared to those unemployed but actively seeking work, thats evident from the amount of applications per vacancy, and as the term 'long-term unemployed' refers to 'those unemployed for 2 years or more' speaks for itself, most are through the system by 2 years, but unfortunately replaced by another person made unemployed through whatever reason....Besides a large portion of the money spend on benefits are also 'in-work' benefits.”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 9:19PM
“I think mam35 what C10 is saying and if so and I agree, is that whilst those who cannot be bothered don't make up the majority of people who are unemployed,
it is perceived that they take the most out, and aren't willing to give anything back, and hold governments to ransom as their vote still counts as much as someone who is willing to contribute socially and financially.
I also think that as well as taking the most from the pot, the unwilling and lazy probably cost this country a fortune through their lack of respect for society in general and a cult of ill discipline which those who are genuinely in difficulties and those who contribute something tend to avoid.
in other words,
The lazy minority (as you state they are the minority),
take more than their share, give nothing back (even avoiding VAT by using black markets where possible), and cost the most to support because they don't have any self discipline and feel that it's ok to behave badly and use being poor as an excuse.
It doesn't matter if you are rich or poor, if you drop litter, get drunk and fight, steal, trash public spaces, let your dog foul the pavement - it all has to be sorted out or policed and it costs everyone money - (well not everyone - as not everyone pays for it).
Why is it, those who are used to working who find themselves out of work,
those who have a good work ethic who want to work,
those who have worked hard who like to look after what they've worked for,
those who continue to work hard to better their lives:
all tend to know how to behave.. whilst those who have no intention of working, not only expect all of the above to fund their laziness, but also expect those above to fund clearing up after them.
I don't know how many ways I can say mam35 - but the lazy minority take the most, and cost the most, and in general cause the most trouble, which makes them an easy target..
I happen to agree with C10 100 percent on this.”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 10:16PM
“There are many different types of unemployed people – a slice of that pie will just be workshy, some will be graduates, others school and/or college leavers (etc). You cannot state that everyone out of work is just a beer drinker etc, however, there is seemingly more of them about these days…”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 10:25PM
“Solution - jobs need to be creative and benefits need to be reformed, so it is no longer a career option to be a young teenage mother who can claim ridiculous amounts of money. If they wish to choose this lifestyle, then they or their parents must privately fund it. Taxpayer's do not want to fund workshy, or single parents who do not wish to work and contribute to taxes and society.”
Tuesday, January 08 2013, 10:37PM
“Why do people drink? those that drink to excess, daytime and night..It wouldnt surprise me that it increases during tough times, during recessions etc. Although in Leicester city itself there are just over 12,000 unemployed..cant say ive seen all of them drinking in the centre lol :/Some of the figures are here: http://tinyurl.com/aksf9wyI dont know if it has the figures I was looking at earlier, but in Leicester the households with dependent children and no dult working, was much less then 2 adults with no dependents...The other figures were a little misleading as it suggested one was workless but didnt say if the other worked (like my household, I could be considered 'unemployed' but we are not a 'workless' or 'economically inactive' household)”
Wednesday, January 09 2013, 7:56AM
“You can buy cheap cans/bottles of alcohol from shops for £0.75 each, does not make it right. However, if the government makes alcohol more expensive in shops and not just pubs/bars then this would make it harder to live this drinking lifestyle…”
Wednesday, January 09 2013, 9:07AM
“mam35 - no one is blaming those who are prepared to work, or who live in a household which contributes.
I used to get smashed out of my head as I have confessed before - it's what single men in the navy with disposable income did.
I am now out of work, married, my wife is the bread winner at the moment, we don't have any kids, not for want of trying - we got knocked back for IVF because of our age, and my weight at the time (years of binge drinking had it's effect). I hardly ever drink now, I had less last year than I used to drink in a week. I didn't need government help or funds to help me straighten my life out. Even when drinking I was never a burden.. but when I decided to cut back, I did it off my own back - because we want children.. We have talked between ourselves about how we can afford it, because it's sensible to do that.
C10 is right, there are a lot around who drink, and generally it's not those going for interviews, or those who already work.. because they'd either get fired or wouldn't get the job in the first place..
Don't ever make excuses for people who drink when times are bad.. it's a choice.. when times are bad, how you deal with it comes down to moral fibre and strength of character..
In the old days if you didn't hunt, you cooked or had another skill,
if you didn't contribute then no one shared and you'd either have to learn to get involved pretty quickly or perish..
in our society there are those who can't seem to get a grip on this concept, they want to stay in the nest whilst the grown ups provide food and shelter..
Like I've said time and time again..
stop taking offence - it's not you, it's not everyone, it's just some.. unfortunately those people have a big effect on the opinions of those who have carried them for so long,
and it's time they got a grip.
No one is criticising graduates, school leavers, people who have been made redundant, the short term unemployed, or the disabled, or single parents where one parent has either left them too it, or died.
It's those who can't and won't do anything to help themselves and contribute towards running the system that has done far more in some cases than keep them afloat.
Those who abuse the system - are the ones, they have no shame, and no matter what you think, they should be made to learn.”
Wednesday, January 09 2013, 1:01PM
“I dont take offence, I have no reason to. That doesnt mean I dont feel the need to defend those I think are unfairly labelled, or treated. We live in a blame culture, where you may say well I know most are not like that or are like that, but can you tell the difference by sight? Seems most seem to think they can...Who says the man with the beer can isnt like that ex-bbc newsman that I saw on that documentary, now living on the streets, or the tramps that die who are found to have millions in the bank...or that they dont live with someone else who works every hour god sends...We cant judge others characters either, we know nothing about thier lives, some people are strong others are not...The fact is we pay our taxes to the government...I really do hate the 'I pay for you' that everyone seems to be spurting out recently to those on benefits..I just looked at the 'where my taxes go to' site and looked at the break down of the 'helping others' section on different wage levels, interesting stuff. Lets also not forget that the money claimants get still goes straight back into the economy in one way or another, they buy the same things as everyone else, consumer goods etc.”
Wednesday, January 09 2013, 1:38PM
“As for the higher pricing of alcohol City..It hasnt worked in the past and it will not now either. The government are aware of that. Another assumption made by many..that it is low income that are the most likely to be alcoholics or heavy drinkers. However the statistics all the way through show its actually the middle class that are the heaviest drinkers..”
Wednesday, January 09 2013, 9:08PM
“my mate bought some beer from tesco and it was like 99p for a pack of 4 cans and cider is like 79p for white lighting you could get wasted for like a fiver x”
Wednesday, January 09 2013, 9:13PM
“wait more like 2.50 x”
Wednesday, January 09 2013, 10:07PM
“Putting the prices up still wont work rachel...if someone wants to drink then they will...Its the same with any addiction they have to want to do it for themselves. The only people it would affect are occasional drinkers who buy cheap drink because of not being able to afford to go out, or to buy more expensive stuff. The hardened drinkers will find the money somewhere, if its not in their hand then they will beg steal or borrow, simple as.”
Thursday, January 10 2013, 7:57AM
“by mam35Wednesday, January 09 2013, 10:07PM."Putting the prices up still wont work rachel...if someone wants to drink then they will..." I agree there in part - However it would reduce drinking if prices are too high.”
Thursday, January 10 2013, 8:21AM
“But it wont reduce it in the right places City, or the right people”
Friday, January 11 2013, 8:54AM
“mam35 - you have come around to my statement which I have made all along,
everyone likes to blame everyone else,
but in the same light you can't have a completely blameless society,
the only way to be blameless is to take responsibility for your own actions and hope that everyone else will do the same,
when I got smashed I had a big income, and nothing to spend it on, I don't ever remember starting fights, or smashing property, or peeing in peoples doorways, or ditching litter, or abusing anyone (I might have transgressed on the odd occasion, but on the whole it wasn't a daily or weekly occurrence, I usually made it back to bed and up for work without any problems). Wanting kids was my wake up call. The only person I hurt was me, (and my wife's chances of kids), but I took responsibility.
I don't expect everyone to help me or pay for things, even though I have put money in, I don't believe it's my right to take it out again whilst I can still do something about my situation. There may come a time when I struggle and genuinely need it, but it will be a last resort if it happens, and it will be temporary help.
If everyone else had this attitude we wouldn't have such a huge welfare bill, there will always be some as I've said who genuinely need it, but without blaming, there are others who are lazy, and they are the burden that most people don't want to carry.
And what you contribute as VAT is miniscule if the rest of the money goes to tobacco corporations or overseas companies.
Good Behaviour is the quickest way to reduce the costs of this country,
If people binned chewing gum - we wouldn't have to pay to clear it up.
If people ditched rubbish, we wouldn't have to pay to clear it up,
If people didn't pee in doorways - there would be no need to clear it up,
If people weren't sick in the street - we wouldn't need to pay to clear it up,
If people didn't vandalise public property - we wouldn't need to pay to fix it.
If people didn't cause public disorder - we wouldn't need to pay to police it and detain offenders or waste time on court appearances which also cost money.
If people looked after council houses - we wouldn't need to pay to maintain them,
If people got a job instead of crime - everyone's insurance would be lower,
If people didn't drink drive - we wouldn't have as many accidents or deaths and the costs involved in investigating and prosecuting - as well as compensation payouts.
If people didn't smoke as much - we'd lose a bit of tax, but we'd gain in what it costs to treat them and the cost of making adverts and warning messages, and clearing up fag ends.
If people didn't get smashed in their own homes - we'd save on hospital costs treating them or their victims.
You can be blameless - I agree.
The people I have a problem with - are those who blame others without looking at what they can address in their own lives first.
If we all had a long hard look at ourselves first before blaming everyone and everything, we may all improve as a whole, and society as well as our budgets might benefit as a whole.
Being out of work, poor, or depressed is not an excuse for any of the things I listed.
I've had it trying to explain - that it's down to each individual to fix themselves,
or at least make a decent effort to do so. And there is nothing wrong with doing something to help others, but none of us should expect help, benefits and subsistence should be a last resort.”
Friday, January 11 2013, 1:27PM
“But we should also be aware that we do not know someones history, why they are in the position they are in, why they make dicision that they make...Blame is a funny thing, because we all like to think we dont do it, and i think everyone does, whether blatantly or in a more subtle fashion. I know that I often blame businesses, the economy, and all sorts for the current work situation, and I do try to shield those who are unemployed from taking the shaft of the blame. The current situation though, does need a lot more work from the top end instead of so much focus on the bottom. Companies have got to start taking some responsibility for their part in the welfare bill, when you think that 68% of those affected by the 1% cap on benefit rising with inflation are in work...simply because so many companies now only offer part-time hours...If an unemployed person takes a job on minimum wage for 16 -24 hrs they will be paying no tax, and their benefit level will be pretty much the same as it was when they were unemployed..”
Friday, January 11 2013, 2:34PM
“I don't care about companies playing their part,
I don't care whether the rich should be paying more
I don't care who blames who.
I don't care about percentages,
I don't care about stats,
No one, and I mean No one, should be comfortable being supported on handouts,
and if they are being supported on handouts - then everyone should make it their own
responsibility to get off handouts and start contributing financially.
If they are on handouts there is nothing stopping anyone (unless incapacitated) helping society by being a better citizen, and being pro-active about their own situation.
The first person anyone should look to about restoring their dignity is themselves.
Regardless of circumstances.
(you will find this statement isn't aimed at any particular group or person - it is a fact that everyone should at least try to help themselves, not just give up or expect handouts).
Sorry Mam35 - every time I try to put it one way - you counter it or go on the defensive,
I am trying to say that everyone should look to themselves first to sort their situation out, if they can't or won't do that, then why should they get any help from anyone else at all.
I've always said I will help anyone that is prepared to try and help themselves, but I won't do things for people who can't be bothered.
That is all.”
Friday, January 11 2013, 6:22PM
“But what if its not there Chappy, the chance to get out there and earn a decent living...im just saying what I see, look at our largest employers now, in the top ten are major supermarkets, very few offer a permanent position of more then 24 hours for their starting staff...I am not on the defensive..like you, im telling it the way it is, we need more quality, full-time opportunities, not opportunists, companies making money and huge profits at the least cost possible at the espense of their employees whom should be paid a living wage :/”
Wednesday, January 16 2013, 9:37PM
“I was sent this link - This young lady is spot on - http://tinyurl.com/bbv3dzs”
Thursday, January 17 2013, 10:46AM
“Right then Mam35I am unemployed - the same chances are there for me as anyone else. I am having to lower my sights a little.In the mean time - I try to keep my house looking neat and tidy on the outside, to keep myself busy. If I see litter in my street (even if it's not mine), I put it in the bin.I go out for a walk so I don't end up rotting on the Sofa.Whilst I am out, the TV, lights and heating aren't being used so I am saving money.I am courteous to people, so I don't cost the police anything.And I am trying to help myself.The chance might not be there at the moment, but there is nothing stopping me doing something constructive somewhere other than inside my own home.Even volunteering can lead to opportunities.. It's how you conduct yourself..Clean streets = lower council tax bills. Good behaviour = lower policing costs and insurance costs, less waste = more money in your pocket, good health = less burden on the NHS, less smoking and drinking - affects all that has been mentioned.More time out and about doing something = less bills, tidy house = better health, less risk of fire.All of the things in my last paragraph, don't require either a Job, or Government help, they simply require self discipline.I am tired of arguing the case, because at best - your answers are starting to sound like excuses rather than reasons.. (no disrespect Mam35 - I don't want to fall out over this..) there are those who will always need help, but not as many actually need help as think they do.I agree with C10 again on this one..That's it for me on this topic..”
Thursday, January 17 2013, 11:05AM
“Except for its not the truth. You do not 'automatically' get a free council place..you go on the list for bidding like everyone else, the rate of teenage pregnancy is the lowest it has been since 1969. Teenagers do not get pregnant simply because they might get benefits :/...The girl is spurting out rhetoric claptrap, like most do, without knowing the full facts..maybe her so called 'people i know' are quite prepared to live on the minimum..it does not mean they are living a comfortable life...We also do not know peoples backgrounds, family situations. As for not taking out if you havent put in..I think you would find that if you took that policy, it would save very little money, again you are going by the myth that there are millions choosing to live on benefits by choice..there are very few that have 'never worked' apart from youth unemployment..but then they cannot claim unemployment benefit until they are over 18”
Thursday, January 17 2013, 11:31AM
“Just to add this link: http://tinyurl.com/7k9obg5Where they got their statistics from is clearly set out at the end of the article..not that many will take any notice of the myth busting..for example only 2% of single parents are teenagers, the median age of a single parent is 38.1”
Thursday, January 17 2013, 2:08PM
“Dont know whats happening with my posts here :/ Thought one hadnt gone on and it did, thought one had gone on but it didnt..anyway sorry about me having three in a row :) (or more if the other one appears lol)As said before Chappy we do differ on some issues on the subject of benefits..although not all. Im not the kind of person to fall out with anyone, I do like heated debates, and I do believe in everyones right to their own opinions (within the law of course) I will always defend people I think are being wrongly singled out in society. I hate a majority being judged by the way a minority behaves, which seems very common with politics today. If everyone now turned in politics and society and blamed the whole situation of the economy and welfare on the business world i'd defend them too :) This is a combination of factors where I dont think one section of society is to blame, and to combat it will take work from all. I merely try my hardest to put across the other side, I dont need to put the popular side, thats done enough..Your above posts seems to be more about social responsibility, which is a different subject to those who are unemployed or claiming benefits as it crosses both employed and unemployed..lots do not take care of their property or have appropriate social conscious. The alcohol issue, yes, but again it crosses both, many are irresponsible with alcohol.”
Friday, January 18 2013, 1:57PM
“A page3 girl knows it, why can't others see the light?”
Saturday, January 19 2013, 10:50PM
“You have or are claiming benefits from what I have read from you - You can't really stand on the high ground can you?”
Sunday, January 20 2013, 7:41AM
“I dont really understand what you mean by that DavidJCB...Are you suggesting that if someone has claimed benefits in the past that they are less entitled to challenge what someone is saying, even if they feel its misinformed?”
Sunday, January 20 2013, 3:39PM
“The bills are going up gas, food all of them in fact. The government need to support people and try and cap these bill prices some how though selling all the companies doesn't help”
Sunday, January 20 2013, 4:06PM
“It is expensive now..gone are the days when you could put £5 on the meter and it would last for the week. I did have quarterly bills but changed to the meters, I know its a tad bit more expensive in the long run, I just find it easier to budget with the pay meters.”
Sunday, January 20 2013, 11:24PM
“David - were you saying I have or am claiming benefits and taking the high ground or Mam35.? I had a job straight from school, have a forces pension and gratuity an income from another house and my wife works, and we have no kids - so I couldn't claim even if I wanted to. anyway, I did say that was it from me on this.. so have fun.”
Monday, January 21 2013, 12:58PM
“I feel it will not be long until the benefit system will just run out of money. You cannot keep making goods & services more and more without some sort of knock on effect. For hard full-time workers it is very hard to pay your bills never mind the non-working. Someone has to foot the bill ie taxpayers!”
Thursday, January 24 2013, 9:57AM
“Food prices are getting out of hand now, I popped in to my local store and picked up just a small bag of groceries and it was £20! I feel I will need to go to a food bank soon!!!”
Thursday, February 21 2013, 8:02PM
“My bills are far too high and I am only just getting by with my wages. I fear we all will need help soon as we cannot go on like this. My wages only just cover my basic living costs with little over for myself.”
Friday, February 22 2013, 4:38PM
“So very true happy blame all theses people who getting living for free of the back of working taxpayers mate.”
Saturday, February 23 2013, 9:16PM
Saturday, February 23 2013, 11:33PM
Sunday, February 24 2013, 6:02PM
“I dont get it nick?x”
Sunday, February 24 2013, 6:26PM
“@Rachel_LeicsVideos just discussing reasons for youth poverty etc.”
Sunday, March 17 2013, 4:47PM
“prices of living are crazy, full stop.”
Sunday, March 17 2013, 5:41PM
“"Price of living"? That's an interesting phrase. We usually talk about the "cost of living". In fact if you search for phrase "cost of living" on this site you get 97 results. Search for "price of living" and you get two. But on this thread, this unusual term has been used three times by three ostensibly different users. Curious n'est-ce pas?”
Sunday, March 17 2013, 10:51PM
“quite astute as a price relates to an agreed sum, whereas cost is variable.”
Monday, March 18 2013, 10:46AM
“Marog – I would say 'price' is more or less the same meaning as 'cost'. For example it I was buying a cooker and said to the sales assistant what is the 'price' of the cooker or what is the 'cost' of the cooker I feel he/she would understand that…How do you see it?Marog – I would say 'price' is more or less the same meaning as 'cost'. For example it I was buying a cooker and said to the sales assistant what is the 'price' of the cooker or what is the 'cost' of the cooker I feel he/she would understand that…How do you see it?Alternatively, if you want a basic example:Cost refers to the amount paid to produce a good or service. The cost represents the sum of the value of the inputs in production - land, labour, capital and enterprise.Price refers to the amount of money that consumers have to give up to acquire a good or service.”
Monday, March 18 2013, 11:00AM
You would be correct (and in agreement with AshfordbyFox). However, that doesn't tally with the original premise of the post or subsequent responses which refer to "price of living".
"Alternatively if you want a basic example". Thanks but I already understand the difference. Hence my comment.”
Monday, March 18 2013, 11:13AM
“Not a problem, glad it is all clear now : )”
Monday, March 18 2013, 11:35AM
“Curious n'est-ce pas? : ) odd way to end a text indeed. Don't you agree that the cost of living is too high then both AshFox & Marogg chaps?”
Monday, March 18 2013, 12:02PM
“There is no time for any monkey business here. Costs are costs that no-one can afford in this market place. Most people who use this site no this and hence why they are on here so much...”
Monday, March 18 2013, 1:32PM
“@ Zoolander, Do I agree that the cost of living is too high? Personally No. And I can only give a personal answer to this (because one person's too high will not be another's).
To my mind many of us live in a consumerist society where acquiring the next piece of cheap tat becomes our raison d'etre. We understand the value of nothing and the idea of deferred gratification is anathema.
Let's consider clothing. Back in the 1980's when Levi 501's were de regueur, Irish Menswear would happily relieve you of between £50 and £60 for a pair. A quick look online suggests that this price hasn't moved an awful lot in the intervening 30 years. Nor will it as long as we're happy not to ask too many questions about whether our clothes are made in subcontracted sweatshops in a Sri Lankan village.
Or maybe food. The cost of the average weekly shop is as low as it's ever been.
Travel? So petrol and fuel in general is heavily taxed. But many of us can still afford to take ourselves off on foreign holidays.
Technology. I can just about remember when colour TV was the cutting edge. I remember LP's, cassettes, cd's minidiscs. Compare that with the web and media access many of us enjoy through our phones / ipads / laptops etc. You may argue that the proliferation of media channels has been inversely proportionate to the quality of the output but that's a slightly different argument.
Health. Free since Bevan.
Basically, the average wage earner has more now than s/he ever did. I would suggest that many people (though not all - I'm not talking about benefit recipients here) should cut their cloth according to their means or seek to increase their income.
I really don't understand what people feel they ought t be entitled to but aren't.”
Monday, March 18 2013, 6:32PM
“"The cost of the average weekly shop is as low as it's ever been." - No it is not... I do not agree with that old chappy. Jeans you can get a pair for £10 or less in ASDA, or you can pay £150 for a pair, it has always been the case...”
Monday, March 18 2013, 6:59PM
“I agree with you there martin, how long is a piece of string...?”
Monday, March 18 2013, 7:07PM
“I get loads of clothes in a sale now as they are so so expensive :( chaity shops are real good places to buy clothes and alsorts from as well :)well my mum & dad say to me theyhave never seen the job market so bad so not sure where the other user is coming from??? Prices are up and wages are low :( x”
Monday, March 18 2013, 8:05PM
“Well I'll leave you all to your council of despair.”
Monday, March 18 2013, 8:32PM
“Ahem. Or even counsel.”
Tuesday, March 19 2013, 9:42AM
“Join in then Marog, it is an open debate which is having good replies do you agree or not with comments made so far?”
Tuesday, March 19 2013, 11:36AM
“Wake up Martin.”
Tuesday, March 19 2013, 12:17PM
“Morog you said "The cost of the average weekly shop is as low as it's ever been". Where do you get that idea or information from? I am very interested to know?”
Tuesday, March 19 2013, 12:39PM
“I agree Martin, I also would like to know this? If he/she could answer the question would be a good start. Not sure what the other parts are about?”
Tuesday, March 19 2013, 1:29PM
“The Cost of Living is relative to what you deem essential.
Thousands are genuinely in fuel Poverty, where basic heat and light, and cooking fuel - are taking up a vast proportion of their income,
But Thousands are not - even if they think they are.
Watching TV, Playing on Xbox, Listening to Music, Lighting every room whether you are in it or not, using the PC for leisure, charging the IPAD, heating the Fish Tank, none of these are essential, but they pile on the cost.
Driving instead of walking short distances is another example.
Owning cars you don't need or use.
Again not essential.
Same as the weekly food shop,
Buying more than you need and throwing it out,
Cigarettes, Alcohol, Fizzy Drinks, Chocolate, Iced cream, Fancy Spa type toiletries, luxury toilet paper - all things that are nice to have, but won't be counted in an essential weekly shop as essential.
Jeans are not essential, name brands are not essential.
Cost - is what the last person who bought the item paid for it.
Price - is what they are (were) asking.
I still don't wholly share Marog's opinion that the cost is as low as it's ever been as, Bread went up because of poor crop yields and overseas demand, Eggs went up because Europe didn't uphold their own Battery Welfare Regulations, so now only British Eggs are legal, whilst demand has increased, sell to the highest bidder.
Beef - Thanks to the horse meat scandal - British known source meat products have gone up in value. And you still have Fuel Costs in food transportation to factor in.
It all depends on what you need, and what you want and how you differentiate.
Does that answer your earlier question zoolander?”
Tuesday, March 19 2013, 3:26PM
“The question was aimed at Marog but thanks for answering it AsfordbyFox…That seems an rational reply my old chappy, thanks. Not sure why we need it 3 times though?”
Tuesday, March 19 2013, 3:28PM
“AsfordbyFox don't forget the 20% fizzy drink tax as well, cost are going up & up though some of us don't believe so..”
Tuesday, March 19 2013, 3:43PM
“That is true taxes are going up on all items I would like to hear from Morog on his/her thoughts on this. Thanks to the Fox chap for his thoughts I agree with most of it.”
Tuesday, March 19 2013, 3:44PM
“I am awake, but it seems you have fallen asleep now?”
Wednesday, March 20 2013, 9:37AM
“The end :)”
Thursday, April 04 2013, 8:53AM
“Make a claim if you were affective they miss-sold many tariffs to customers.”
Friday, April 05 2013, 10:14AM
“SSE are in the wrong hence the big fine...you can't just pose a £10 plus million fine for no reason can you...”
Saturday, April 06 2013, 2:26PM
“SSE have done wrong and have been punished for it. I am glad as well that action was taken against them x”
Saturday, April 06 2013, 5:25PM
“Fully agree with you there Rachel. John Wood I watched the news where one of the ex employees said they were told to lie to customers so that they would switch to SSE from other companies. I would say that is and was wrong, wouldn't you? He stated that SSE would put them on the wrong tariff which to me and many others is misleading and ripping off the customers...”
Sunday, April 07 2013, 12:58AM
“What is the point in answering?”
Monday, April 08 2013, 10:53AM
“What do you mean what is the point?Has anyone seen how expensive fuel is at Sainsbury's now?”
Monday, April 08 2013, 4:54PM
“Petrol is dear everywhere, I went to sainsbury's the other day and it was still fairly cheap compared to bp, shell or texaco.
Asda was .2p cheaper.
What is the point in putting an opinion forward, might as well write it on Ice..”
Tuesday, April 09 2013, 9:50AM
“Again, not understand that last part John? I agree about the prices are expensive regarding fuel.”
Tuesday, April 09 2013, 11:52AM
“But, BP has never sent door to door sales people around to houses, and given those salespeople scripts stating that signing up to a contract on the spot to only buy fuel from BP will be far cheaper than buying it anywhere else. That would be mis-selling, and many people would consider it ripping consumers off.
Thankfully, with fuel, if we live in the city - its cheap and easy to find the best price and take advantage of it. So the market works fairly well. Whereas, out in the country petrol stations are fewer and further apart - the market works less well and people pay more for their fuel. Markets tend to work best when prices are easy to compare, this is why some companies might seek to confuse consumers by having multiple and complex tariffs.
Tuesday, April 09 2013, 2:05PM
"might as well write it on Ice"
A perfect analogy. I admire your fortitude.”
Tuesday, April 09 2013, 4:57PM
“As do I, it is marvellous...”
Tuesday, April 09 2013, 6:19PM
“Ha, that is great martin”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 11:57AM
“What part do you want me to explain, I was hoping you could explain it to me otherwise how can I explain it back to you? The cost of living as we all know is going up and wages are not. This in turn means hardship for many low earning people and families. The bedroom tax will not help thought it has to be done to make sure housing is being used efficiently.”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 12:13PM
“And there they go....”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 1:36PM
“The biggest worry is the cost of food nowadays and the cost of all energy bills. Then we hear such big companies such as SSE ripping-off the customers. I feel the government will have to step in and try and support the working-classes more.”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 3:50PM
“You really don't need me to explain my analogy do you? I am just confused that you say you don't understand, yet you agree with Marog "I think it's marvellous". I don't understand why Zoolander then thinks your comment is great. It just doesn't make sense. In any context. As I stated before
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 4:41PM
“I agree wholeheartedly with ZooLander's last post there. As for the rest I am not concerned or interested...”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 4:47PM
“I don't blame you.”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 4:50PM
“How big are SSE out of interest, and what factors have led to increased costs in food production? How will the government step in to support the working classes more? You wholeheartedly agree so you must have plausible answers.”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 4:54PM
“Still a man hears what he wants to hear / And disregards the rest”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 5:19PM
“The cost of living shouldn't this be? Either way, yes it is very expensive and will only get worse. There is a class divide as there has been for many years now.”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 7:37PM
“or he turns the heating up marog. ;)”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 8:16PM
“This is why so many people are unsure about their feelings towards Margaret Thatcher. Many blame her for the cost of living affecting us today many years on from her leadership.”
Wednesday, April 10 2013, 8:31PM
“"or he turns the heating up marog" - Who?”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 10:28AM
“Nice quote John I agree with you there.”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 10:45AM
“What?The prices in my local shop have gone up this last week and I told the shopkeeper and he said its just the costs of everything going up :( x”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 11:22AM
“If only we knew Rachel!costs and prices will be on the up and up can we afford it NO!”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 12:28PM
“This is when you have to decide what is and what isn't essential,
cut out the luxuries you don't need, it makes life a bit bland, but it's what you have to do.
Glad you agree Martin - it would seem that others don't understand what it is you have agreed with.”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 1:10PM
“I admirer Zoo's bravery and showing how resilient he is (as others are). I cannot fault the effort, it makes me smile and proves the point, for that it is genius. To answer your question I was backing his comments regarding supporting the working classes let me copy & paste it... "I feel the government will have to step in and try and support the working-classes more."As a working class person I am feeling the pressure of the high living costs. Not all of us are on 50k plus a year (unlike the mayor & his team)...We are all feeling it.”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 1:22PM
“Most kind of you Martin and I respect your posts as you point your opinions and thoughts over respectfully and diplomatically. I am a working-class man with a history of hard workers in my family. We do not earn much but what we have is ours and it is honest money for an honest days work. We are indeed feeling the pinch of the daily costs which are bills, food and so forth.”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 1:23PM
“We are not for turning...”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 1:31PM
“Bravery Martin? Resilient? Effort? proves what point? Genius?,
He feels the government will have to step in and try to support the working-classes more..
without explaining what measures or powers the government could exercise to support the working classes more, I cannot see how you can support such a statement. Anyone can say I think the government should do this, or do that.. doesn't mean it will happen, maybe they are already looking at ways to sort the problem out, maybe there are greater issues at the moment, you simply don't know.
To call someone Brave, or Resilient or a Genius - based on a rhetorical "sound bite" - is a little bit generous. I don't know how you quantify the effort Zoo has put in, apart from making comments on this board, I cannot really see that he has put in any measurable effort at all.
I am not belittling your support for Zoo, you support who you like, that's your call, but reading your other posts in other topics, you are very quick to berate the efforts of key figures in the real world, yet in this topic you praise someone for simply posting comments which in reality have no consequence out there in the big wide world.
I wish you well.”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 1:51PM
“Thank you very much John & ditto.”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 2:06PM
“It is great to see this Martin. People understand the Cost & Price of living for working people is just not on. Government support is required.”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 7:00PM
“Government SUPPORT and NOT government hand-outs - two VERY different issues. Support means they help you when you are working such as the government do with WORKING tax credits etc...Hand-outs - NON-WORKING people getting free money/benefits...Quite easy really...”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 7:14PM
“Exactly the same issue viewed from two different perspectives,
I might see you getting support as a handout. I might take the view that you either need to cut your cloth according to your means or get a better paid job.
I might not want to see my taxes supporting people who can't manage their budgets.
See how it works?
I think you've hit upon quite an interesting point as it happens.”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 8:54PM
“If that is how you see it Marog that is your opinion... I feel they are two completely different factors, as you have to be WORKING (that dirty word) to gain the support...However, hand-outs you do NOTHING to gain a benefit...I would say that wasn't the same...”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 9:07PM
“Now I do not understand your post/s there... though, I feel they might need to be re-thought and then I might understand them? If you could let me know your thoughts over this topic please?”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 9:38PM
“what is going on here? :( x”
Thursday, April 11 2013, 11:48PM
“Inflation is caused by the printing of money and government borrowing. The government uses it to reduce wages and loot your savings without the political consequences as seen in Cyprus where printing money is not an option. Inflation hits the poorest the hardest.All of our economic problems today have little to do with greedy financiers – don't believe the propaganda - they were just following government orders. All our problems stem from the socialisation and political control of money, but the general public and even MPs are ignorant of basic economic realities. Much is related to an artificially inflated housing bubble where people are encouraged to invest all their money in property instead of seeing it as just a place to live.”
Friday, April 12 2013, 12:50PM
“I watched it Martin and found the same reaction as covered by the media. People are holding personal views over her they say she was like Marmite and that is a very good way to sum her up. She did leave the country in a better state, but is that due to the fact most services were being or in the process of being sold? We had a mini-boom as we appeared to have much money. Once it was gone we faced the hardship and knowing the UK owned almost nothing!We had to rent these services back at a very big cost.”
Friday, April 12 2013, 3:13PM
“That sounds about right TheDream many people are divide over their feelings and are unsure what to make of her passing. More so, her time in power.”
Friday, April 12 2013, 4:45PM
“Yes true, as another post on here has pointed out the good and bad of it all..”
Friday, April 12 2013, 8:38PM
“It is called a generalisation Marog - not everyone needs the support but many families do. I do not need support, but wouldn't say no to it. Some families only get by with support for bills and more. Quite simple really.Why shouldn't a working be entitled to a holiday?”
Friday, April 12 2013, 11:15PM
“I really wish I could afford to go out of the country, even to Paris or Berlin. But to the US? Well that's incredibly expensive. I'm on minimum wage and after rent and bills I have hardly anything left for myself.”
Saturday, April 13 2013, 12:20AM
Saturday, April 13 2013, 10:36AM
“I earn enough money to pay all my bills and living expensive with a little left over. Some people work but it might not be full-time, say 30 hours week. This mean they might be entitled to working tax benefits is a good example of what is mean by support and not the hand-outs.”
Sunday, April 14 2013, 6:45PM
“The bedroom tax is very interesting and will again change the rules for many people. Some people will have to move and is that fair, it is a hard one to call? Why should one person have more than one room? If they are paying for it is it there right?”
Sunday, April 14 2013, 7:04PM
“It is a good move by the government to try and maximise living and for council homes it makes perfect sense. As so many adults have too many children we need more rooms and space.”
Sunday, April 14 2013, 7:28PM
“Martin - do you work for the Chinese government,
"So many adults have too many children?"
how many is too many? what about Children who have Children?
"it's a good move by the government to try and maximise living" - as an alternative to promoting dying?
"and for council homes it makes perfect sense" - to you maybe. I take it you are like me, and lucky that it doesn't matter. What about people who are live in carers for their spouse? How many bedrooms are they allowed?”
Sunday, April 14 2013, 9:04PM
“It can be Martin but on the news some people who are ill need an extra room for their carers or equipment which isn't fair on them. x”
Sunday, April 14 2013, 9:51PM
“I watched the news when it was announced. I reckon I watched the same interview as you Rachel. I do sympathise with the ill and disabled and understand your concerns Rachel, it isn't fair on them. But for many it is fair and right I do back the plan over the bedroom tax.”
Monday, April 15 2013, 10:45AM
“TheDream I do back that idea as you say if I had a council home we all know that the list of big families waiting for housing is increasing each year. We cannot just build ourselves out of this housing problem.”
Monday, April 15 2013, 7:06PM
“The minimum wage is set to be increased by a few pence, how will this help the cost of living? More needs to be done... http://tinyurl.com/ccy4jvw”
Monday, April 15 2013, 9:56PM
“around 13p an hour increase I agree not very helpful is it!”
Tuesday, April 16 2013, 10:50AM
“It is not life changing amounts it is guys, quite disappointing really. Didn't expect much better though, did you?”
Tuesday, April 16 2013, 12:19PM
“The cost of living is as high as i have even known it in my life time. Thought today petrol prices have been reduced by supermarkets it was reported. Clothes, food and energy bills are hitting the consumer hard in the year 2013.”
Tuesday, April 16 2013, 12:20PM
Friday, April 26 2013, 7:28PM
“don't worry about it you have helped this site so much with your work :)”
Saturday, April 27 2013, 6:52AM
“I am a single person on jsa and yes the cost of living is high for me but I look three months ahead where possible.By growing my own vegetables, not paying by direct debit, not owning a television and not using the gas central heating unless it's bitter cold then I get by.”
Saturday, April 27 2013, 3:01PM
“At the end of this month the fags will have to go though I only smoke at home.”
Sunday, April 28 2013, 9:57PM
“what a shame that is ...”
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