You can't put the blame on Labour for everything

“On Straw yes, but I'm glad The Coalition can at least organise a group of people in a room, to discuss problems ,regardless of outcome , unlike The Brown government, thanks for the in house feedback Jack.

Any point made not on fact but social rumour and class innuendo, that have to refer arguments back 20 years is weak. That suggests deflection of responsibility around Labours record in government. Which is unrealistic and one can't base an argument on flimsy class prejudice and historic content denial. A view , which offers nothing to a debate, without some kind of policy base or historic substance. My last one on this subject”

“amoros11: 1/. "On the BBC web by Jack Straw, etc. etc.". "suggests much and settles this arguement". Really ! Is Jack Straw then the all-wise, all knowing one whose word is law and final ? -- What nonsense; he voices his opinion like the rest of us. Probably Jack thought it not fair that he had not been nominated for the PM's job ? Sounds more like a 'sour grapes' comment to me rather than one worthy of serious consideration.
2/. amoros11 further writes: "Why does every Labour arguement end up with the flimsy card of class obsession and dated references to Thatcher" ?

A. Simply because by their actions the Tories continue to show their utter disregard for the welfare of those less well off than themselves. Cameron himself makes reference to 'the middle class', so obviously sees there being an upper, middle and lower class. 'Middle class' and
Upper class being of course (in his latest 'sound-bite'),the 'Strivers' ! The unemployed and those
in receipt of any sort of welfare benefit being the 'plebs'. (Will that man Mitchell ever have the courage to own up to just what he did say ?) Cameron, Clegg and Osborne along with their 'yes men and women', are totally out of touch with millions of ordinary people who they see as the lower classes.

A2. Regarding 'dated references to Thatcher'. It cannot be denied that her policies created the
situation whereby today we have energy supply companies - supposedly in fair competition with each other, thus offering the public choice - but in reality almost working in collusion to ensure each reap massively obsene profits.

With regard to "an inability to form an arguement on present factual policy issues".
Is the present Coalition Government showing any signs whatever of succeeding in their avowed intent to reduce the country's financial deficit ? I think not. Every indication is that they are failing miserably. The only thing they are succeeding in is creating ever more misery for most people.
They can of course, and do, keep blaming Labour. That is their easy way out of trying to cover up their own miserable performance.

I'll pass on the post from 'Eastonian'. Some posts do not contain anything of substance worthy of comment.”

“On the subject of incompetence, the recent comments. On the BBC web by Jack Straw on Gordon Brown's performance and legacy to Britain, suggests much and settle's this argument

"Jack Straw"

"Gordon Brown knew he was not up to the job of prime minister, former cabinet minister Jack Straw has claimed. Mr Straw, who ran the former PM's leadership campaign, said The tragedy was that we realised, but so did Gordon, that this job - for which he'd become obsessed and devoted his life - was a job that he couldn't properly do. He just lacked the fundamental qualities to do it."

Pressed about the qualities Mr Brown was lacking as prime minister, Jack Straw said: "He didn't understand that if you're prime minister, you're faced with decisions which come in the door and the window all the time and that wasn't the case when he was running the British economy - where he had four big sets of decisions to make a year. He didn't properly understand the importance of how you bring together a team"”

“"Bunch of incompetents"!! Let's name them, not necessarily in any order, Brown, Blair, Prescott, Darling, Balls, Cooper, Livingstone the list goes on and on and on and on......................”

“' you can't put the blame on Labour for everything ' says the headline but did't, and still do, Labour blame everything on Mrs Thatcher ?.”

“Why does every Labour argument end up with the flimsy card of class obsession and dated references to Thatcher, which suggests an inability to form an argument on present factual policy issues .Also given that centre ground politics, has been built on shared affluence and power for decades.

Of course Labours great plan to get out of dept is more borrowing and to take out another credit. Basically to rework the same failed system as before .That is incompetence. As Cameron said, "Labours plan B is to squander and run out of other peoples money, even before they have it, forgetting the principle in borrowing, that you have to give it back".”

“@ reubedube, quote: "roll on 2015 and let's get rid of the bunch of incompetents at present simply creating more misery for more people"...


Amen to that! - IF it were the solution to the country's ills, however my faith in politicians (of all shades) disappeared long ago - I fear the next election will only replace one lot of incompetents with another, and I see no reason to believe it will differ at the election after that either. Successive administrations have left us with us with a collective 'every one for himself' and 'I'm all right Jack' philosophies. What a legacy for our children...”

“Let's all remind ourselves for a moment of some of what Jim Bradshaw wrote which caused G A Wright to respond in the manner in which he has.
"We can't spend money we have not got so we have to accept we need to cut back" writes Jim.
"Please do not be fooled again. New Labour or Old Labour, it spells disaster" Excellent advice; those who have been brain-washed by Cameron will be saying! But......., Let us all remember
his words as we look forward to paying even higher prices for our energy supplies in the coming
weeks. British Gas is set to increase its gas and electricity tariffs to record levels, adding up to £100 a year to already sky-high bills. Scottish & Southern Energy are increasing their prices as from next Monday. Without doubt other energy suppliers will follow with their increases.

And who can we blame for this ? Neither New Labour nor Old Labour. Think back if you dare to the Thatcher days. "Where's Sid", she cried out as she encouraged whoever she could to buy shares in gas, and then went on to sell off all of our other national utilities. She created a get rich quick greedy society and we are now paying the price of her folly. Unfortunately we are not all millionairs !

Jim Bradshaw is absolutely right when he declares "We can't spend money we haven't got". For that very reason, in my home we are having to think hard about what else we can do without.
Having given up smoking and going out for the occassional night out, abandoning all thoughts of planning a holiday, we'll probably shortly come down to having to stop buying the daily newspaper in order to still be able to put food on the table. Cameron and his crew haven't the foggiest idea of how the other half live.I don't believe in 'wishing my life away' ,but still say
roll on 2015 and let's get rid of the bunch of incompetents at present simply creating more misery for more people.”

“depreg, is that just because you do not like his politics. Having heard him a number of times. while not always agreeing with him, he has made useful contributions.”

“GA Wright might have had some credibility, but loses any he might have had by quoting Steve Coogan. Only him and the idiots on the BBC would imagine this clown had anything sensible to contribute to a serious political discussion.”